[nfbcs] Computer Braille Help, Please?

Sat Dec 28 17:13:47 UTC 2013

Ian,

There are sometimes different things meant by computer braille which can cause some confusion.  There was a very old code that assigned all 63 dot 
combinations to characters.  This is the code used to drive braille embossers and braille displays.  There is another computer code that is used when 
computer notation is used in a braille text.  It is largely based on the old computer code but it has a number of extgensions.  The computer code for which 
you are prompted when you are asked to enter certain data is more like the old code, but the BrailleNote modifier, space pressed simultaneously with the 
letter U, extends the code some.  This all sounds worse than it is, but I am explaining this so that you understand why you may sometimes get different 
answers.  You have to be very specific about what you are trying to accomplish with computer braille and where.  I believe some of what HumanWare has 
implemented is covered in their manuals.

When I used our BrailleNote MPower, and I think the Apex is the same, I entered the following into an email address and it worked:

Space with U followed by the letter b, then l, u, and e, followed by the numbers in the lower cell as dots 2, 2-3, 2-5, and then I entered dots 2-3-4-6 as the 
exclamation point.  I also noted that dots 4-5-6 yielded the underline character which was discussed earlier.  

I am not real familiar with how you switch to computer braille in a document, though, and frankly, with the HumanWare announcement of some support for 
Nemeth Code, how this works will probably change what you might find useful.

Ian, I was a math major before any of these devices were available, so I cannot say with any authority how such devices work for solving mathematical 
equasions.  There are people who I've talked to who say that it is important to be able to "slide" a display up and down in a document keeping the same 
position within the line is very important.  I would only risk sounding like a throwback to some degree by saying that you might at least want the option to 
do math on paper with a Perkins brailler.  You seem to have done amazingly well considering the short time you have used braille, so you have likely 
already had to develop an approach that works for you to get through the courses you have passed.

If you would explain more where you are needing to enter computer braille, I can perhaps be of more help, although there are probably others here who 
are already doing what you are wanting to do.  I believe you are on the blind math list as well and someone there might be able to help as well.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:00:09 -0500, I. C. Bray wrote:

>OK, so how would I type for example,

>Blue123!  or Red456$
>Note the exclaimation point & the Capitals...?

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mikayla Gephart" <mikgephart at icloud.com>
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>Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Computer Braille Help, Please?

>: Personally, I like the Braille keyboard, but I never experiensed the 
>Quarty on an Apex. In computer braille, dots 4 and 6 are the period, and you 
>use neemeth numbers for passwords. Hope this helps!
>: Mikayla
>:
>: Sent from my iPad
>:
>: On Dec 27, 2013, at 6:46 AM, "I. C. Bray" <i.c.bray at win.net> wrote:
>:
>: > Nichole,
>: >
>: > That is precisely what I am having...  PROBLEMS with Networking on the
>: > MPower.
>: > I think I need to see an Apex... HOWEVER, the question is:
>: > Braille Keyboard, or QWERTY...
>: > I "need" an 80-cell display for Math & Calculus &  Linear Analysis... 
>SO...
>: > In a perfect world, what should I do?
>: > The Apex might be better in qwerty for me, but it only has a 32 cell, if 
>I'm
>: > not mistaken... *sigh*
>: >
>: > Decisions decisions...
>: >
>: > Ian
>: >
>: >
>: >
>: > ----- Original Message ----- 
>: > From: "Nicole Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>: > To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>: > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:27 PM
>: > Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Computer Braille Help, Please?
>: >
>: >
>: > : If you have bad network/internet experiences with the Mpower, don't 
>let
>: > this
>: > : scare you away from an Apex as it is much better  on the Apex.
>: > :
>: > : -----Original Message-----
>: > : From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of I. C. Bray
>: > : Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:47 AM
>: > : To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>: > : Subject: [nfbcs] Computer Braille Help, Please?
>: > :
>: > : Hello all,
>: > :
>: > : I have borrowed / inherrited  an older BrailleNote M Power to play 
>with to
>: > : see if I want to consider getting the Apex.
>: > :
>: > : I am trying to figure out how to connect it to wireless...
>: > : There are a few characters that I don't know in Braille (or have 
>forgot)
>: > and
>: > : was hoping someone would help me with some of them?
>: > :
>: > : I have to type the SSID for my Network and it is:
>: > : SDS_NET2.4
>: > : I know to use U-Chord for Upper Case, but I cannot figure out how to 
>type
>: > : the underscore.
>: > : The next question I have is, do do I use dropped (nemeth) numbers 
>after my
>: > #
>: > : Sign, or not?
>: > : I am also supposing that I use 4,6 for the "dot"... correct?
>: > :
>: > : The other thing is, I have a password in the form:
>: > :
>: > : Capital,lower,Capital,lower,lower,number,number,exclaimation
>: > : point,number,capital
>: > :
>: > : Can someone disambiguate this for me?
>: > :
>: > : Example, Password =  RaBBit35!
>: > : How would I input that in "Computer Braille"?
>: > :
>: > : Thanks
>: > : Ian
>: > :
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