[nfbcs] evaluation display of a web page

Thu Oct 31 19:46:23 UTC 2013

Susie

Can I infer from your topic that you're totally blind?  Just asking because you said you're using a Focus 80 display to do this work.  But that's more a curiosity about you rather than making a statement or a judgement.

In this next question, I don't mean to "stir things up".  I'm just curious.  I'm wondering, how does a blind person go about evaluating a visual tool?  If someone said ... "here's the page .. see if the columns line up" ... for example ... how would you do that if you were totally blind?  Not saying it's impossible.  Obviously a sighted person would just look at it and make the determination if it was or wasn't as desired.  Someone with vision loss or no vision might have to have a tool that provided adequate information to tell you about the data you want to compare.  For example, if you had to compare if certain boxes lined up, you might have a tool that provides starting column numbers.  Once you have the column numbers, it's just a matter of comparing them.  But ... what tool or tools do you use to get the data?  Obviously, nothing is impossible if you can get the tool to give you the data on your terms, or you can get a sighted person to get you the data.  Then it's just an exercise in thinking.  I'm just curious how you get the necessary data.

Obviously you'd (or rather I should say I would) prefer to do this on your own ... have the tools so you can completely do it on your own ... so you can set a good example in front of your peers and your boss, but maybe that's not always possible.  You may just be limited to the tools you have (such as JAWS) and your ingenuity, and you may just have to ask for human help to get the information you need.  I'm also curious ... if you do have to ask for help, what does that do to the respect you get from co-workers?  Are they less likely to give you really complicated programming tasks?

OK, I've sort of asked two questions.  As I'm say, I'm just curious.  Being a partially sighted person with usable vision, I can (to a point) get visual information, and I can do some of this visually.  So I don't have a total good feel for what someone with total vision loss has to go through.

Thanks for the information

Mike Jolls

> From: Susan.Stanzel at kcc.usda.gov
> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 16:17:20 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] evaluation display of a web page
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> I have done that and they said to change my document presentation to screen layout. I did, but I am not sure that helped. I think I have it fixed so things are not wrapping now. I checked with my JAWS cursor. Now for how things are placed on the page, I plan to wait for sighted assistance on Monday when I return to the actual office.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Susie
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> I would not neglect calling FS tech support to get a read on this. My guess is that a bit of sighted help would serve you well.
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> Gary
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> I'm surprised your solution doesn't work. I guess Jaws is changing the screen layout?
> My Alva display has different modes, line or structured. They display data a little differently. Does your display have different display modes?
> Jaws also has the mysterious invisible cursor, which might show things differently from the plain Jaws cursor.
> Sorry, I'm not being very helpful.
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> > Hi Tracy,
> >
> > I don't have one. I have been using the JAWS cursor to go over a space 
> > at a time. I just thought if I could use my display and go down a 
> > column keeping my finger on the beginning of each column it would be great.
> >
> > Susie
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> > Carcione
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> > Hi Suzy.
> > Do you have an Optacon, by any chance? It works well with the new LCD 
> > monitors, and is still the best way to see independently what a layout 
> > looks like.
> > Tracy
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> >
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> I have been given an assignment to clean up the appearance of a web page.
> >> I have a Focus Blue 80 cell Braille display. I am just using it in 
> >> the normal mode. What I would like to do is actually see the display 
> >> which my sighted friends are seeing. I am tired of asking if it looks 
> >> better. Yes, I do think this is a unique assignment. However, I know 
> >> we have many web designors which obviously need to have some idea of 
> >> how something appears.
> >> I tried using the JAWS cursor but I can see enough to know that was 
> >> not accurate.
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> >> Susie Stanzel
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