[nfbcs] NAS Storage
John Heim via nfbcs
nfbcs at nfbnet.org
Wed May 14 15:29:14 UTC 2014
Geez, does your wife have a sister?
I'm just joking. I'm a happily married man. Besides, I wouldn't want
some nasty old pre-packaged NAS anyway. I built my own entertainment
system on a linux box. It uses icecast to stream radio & TV, just the
audio, so I can listen to these programs anywhere in my house. Last
winter, I was actually outside shovelling snow and listening to MASH on
my iPod. Also, I can record anything and turn it into a podcast so I can
download it to my iPod. I have only 170Gb of disk space though. But MP3
audio files are small and I haven't had any trouble with disk space yet.
download them to my iPod and listen to them whenever I want.
via nfbcs wrote:
> Good morning John and everyone,
>
> Truthfully we pay about $100.00 per month for off-site storage and
> would like to sharply reduce if not eliminate that expense hence the
> wish to buy a NAS system. Some NAS drives such as those from Buffalo
> Technology also allow you to access files via the Web and FTP giving
> you access to your files in several ways. One Buffalo NAS System even
> comes with a Web server, MySQL and media servers for hosting Web sites
> and managing audio and video content. That's pretty cool! You can also
> download apps for smart phones giving you access to your data that way
> too and saving you money in the process.
>
> Fortunately that computer is still usable. As soon as the money
> from my brother-in-law arrives we'll arrange for techs to come and
> check things out and remove the infection. I'll be sure to share with
> folks what we find out. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Heim via nfbcs"
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>
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>> It's not likely that your PC got infected from the on-line storage.
>> If you are fairly certain that none of the end-users of your PC
>> inadvertently caused the second infection, then you almost certainly
>> re-infected yourself by restoring files from the first infection.
>> That is going to happen again regardless of whether you restore from
>> on-line storage or from your own NAS.
>>
>> If you are getting a NAS because you suspect that you got an
>> infection because you were using dropbox or some similar service for
>> backups, then you should know that the probability of that is so low
>> that it's not really even worth considering.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/13/14 11:09, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>> Hello Nicole and everyone,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much. I plan to begin researching NAS drives this
>>> afternoon. We can buy them from either Office Depot or Dell through
>>> our network. Ditching the off-site storage is not out of the
>>> question if this could be the source of where this stuff came from.
>>> Steve is right in that the fewer people who can get access to our
>>> computers the better our chances of protecting them from future
>>> attacks. All the best.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole Torcolini"
>>> <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why do you think that Peter is unaware of what a NAS drive is? He
>>>> said in
>>>> house, not off network.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan
>>>> Schulz
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:06 PM
>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>
>>>> Pete,
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like you are unaware of what a nas drive is.
>>>> A nas drive is network attached storage connected to your router and
>>>> configured by navigating a web site based interface instead of being
>>>> installed in your tower system.
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>> Comptia A+
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 4:14 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>
>>>> We got unlucky and got lackey again. Computer Nerdz will love us.
>>>> They're a local computer instruction and repair company in San
>>>> Antonio. We
>>>> just received word that my brother-in-law will be sending us funds
>>>> to help
>>>> us with various issues including fixing Mary's computer for the
>>>> second time.
>>>> We also want to network our computers together so we only need to
>>>> run them
>>>> from a single cable connection. We'll also have them install a NAS
>>>> drive so
>>>> we can store all of our datafiles in one location and make them
>>>> available to
>>>> all of our machines. Storing them in house will allow us to reduce
>>>> the use
>>>> of an off-site backup service allowing us to tighten our belt and
>>>> spend
>>>> money on more important things. Thanks again for the help.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John HG. eim"
>>>> <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 3:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, it's possible that you just got unlucky. Most viruses are
>>>> written by
>>>> folks called "script kitties". Even that name gives them more
>>>> credit than
>>>> they deserve because most of them couldn't script a for loop to
>>>> count to
>>>> ten. They take code that is already out there and use tools to
>>>> tweak it. Why
>>>> would someone with the brains to do more than that mess with your
>>>> computer?
>>>> Maybe they want to get on your computer but they don't want you to
>>>> know it.
>>>> But more likely, they are spending their time trying to get into
>>>> the credit
>>>> card database of their favorite retailer. But maybe you just got
>>>> unlucky.
>>>>
>>>> On May 12, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello John and everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> There are only two people that use that computer Mary and
>>>>> myself. We've
>>>>> been using computers for many years and never had problems like
>>>>> this until
>>>>
>>>>> January of this year. All of our machines have anty virus software
>>>>> on them
>>>>
>>>>> that is active at all times. We have Avask on the Windows XP
>>>>> machines and
>>>>> Microsoft Security Essentials on the Windows 7 machine the one
>>>>> with the
>>>>> virus. Perhaps Avask does a better job of catching trogens and we
>>>>> should
>>>>> have the repair folks install Avask on that machine as well. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim"
>>>>> <jheim at math.wisc.edu>
>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2014 10:35 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You know that this kind of thing is usually, not always, caused
>>>>>> by poor
>>>>>> internet hygene, right? How sure are you that everyone who uses that
>>>>>> machine knows how to avoid viruses? No anti-birus package is
>>>>>> going to
>>>>>> keep you safe from viruses if the users are essentially choosing to
>>>>>> install them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Honestly, I don't even recall the last time I saw a Windows
>>>>>> machine get a
>>>>
>>>>>> virus where I wasn't able to pin it down to a deliberate action
>>>>>> by the
>>>>>> end-user to install the virus. Of course, they didn't think they
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> installing a virus. We had several people get a virus a while ago
>>>>>> because
>>>>
>>>>>> it came up saying it had detected a virus on their computer, and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> should click this button to remove it. Of course, if they clicked
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> button it actually installed the virus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone else on this list suggested you review your habits (or more
>>>>>> likely those of the other users of the computer). My opinion is
>>>>>> that that
>>>>
>>>>>> is the best suggestion you've gotten. Are they installing plugins
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> unreliable sources? Running programs off a borrowed thumb drive?
>>>>>> There is
>>>>
>>>>>> no anti-virus program in the world that can protect you from that
>>>>>> kind of
>>>>
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I once put a link on a web page that said, "Click here to install
>>>>>> a virus
>>>>
>>>>>> on your computer." Just to make sure people were appropriately
>>>>>> scared, I
>>>>>> put another link that said, "Click here and I'll show you the
>>>>>> files on
>>>>>> your C: drive." That was just a file link to their C: drive. But it
>>>>>> should have scared anyone who didn't know how this stuff really
>>>>>> works.
>>>>>> Even so, plenty of people clicked the virus link. Most
>>>>>> virusdevelopers
>>>>>> aren't that obvious. It's possible you've just been unlucky and
>>>>>> have come
>>>>
>>>>>> across some particularly sophisticated virus developers. But most
>>>>>> likely,
>>>>
>>>>>> somebody who uses that computer isn't following good internet hygene
>>>>>> habits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/12/14 07:34, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Brian and everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We just reloaded windows on that machine 4 months ago. We
>>>>>>> will most
>>>>>>> likely need to reload it again but are not willing to put up
>>>>>>> with that
>>>>>>> machine being attacked and needing a complete system reload
>>>>>>> every time
>>>>>>> we turn around. This wasn't a problem until January of this
>>>>>>> year. We'll
>>>>>>> need both a system reload and whatever software or patch
>>>>>>> Microsoft will
>>>>>>> have available to prevent "Computer" from being knocked out by
>>>>>>> trogens
>>>>>>> in the future. We have far more important things to spend our
>>>>>>> money on
>>>>>>> besides having to hire someone to reload computers attacked by
>>>>>>> viruses
>>>>>>> and having to restore the data each time this happens. All the
>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz"
>>>>>>> <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 3:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i have used a version of avg for years and never had an attack or
>>>>>>>> virus.
>>>>>>>> it would be cheaper to hire a neighbor to read the screens and
>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>> windows yourself.
>>>>>>>> you should be able to recognize a tech that wants to gouge you.
>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue"
>>>>>>>> <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 6:36 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nfbcs] Accessible Windows Explorer Alternatives
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good morning everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Before I head out of town for the weekend I want to find out
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> file management alternatives to Windows Explorer/My
>>>>>>>>> Computer/Computer that are accessible with screen reading
>>>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>>> Back in January Mary's computer which runs Windows 7 was
>>>>>>>>> infected by
>>>>>>>>> a trogen that took out "Computer." The infection was so bad
>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>> entire machine needed to be reloaded. I find it hard to
>>>>>>>>> believe that
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would not be a ware of this trogen vulnerability and
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> have released a patch to correct the problem. The company that
>>>>>>>>> reloaded the computer installed Microsoft Security Essentials
>>>>>>>>> on it
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if this package will scan and remove trogens.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It has been four months since the last infection and it's
>>>>>>>>> happening again. It looks like we're in for another system
>>>>>>>>> reload to
>>>>>>>>> get rid of this one and will most likely be set back another
>>>>>>>>> $500.00.
>>>>>>>>> We can't keep going through this every so often. There are two
>>>>>>>>> questions we have for you all. 1. Which antivirus package is
>>>>>>>>> the best
>>>>>>>>> at protecting one's machine from trogen infections
>>>>>>>>> particularly those
>>>>>>>>> that attack the OS. 2. In the event this should happen again
>>>>>>>>> we want
>>>>>>>>> to know if there are file management alternatives to My
>>>>>>>>> Computer/Windows Explorer that will run under Windows 7 we could
>>>>>>>>> install as a backup program should another infection occur?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your suggestions for a permanent fix will be very much
>>>>>>>>> appreciated. I'll also be in touch with Microsoft next week so
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> can remote on to that machine to see for themselves what's
>>>>>>>>> going on
>>>>>>>>> in the hopes they can fix it without having to reload the entire
>>>>>>>>> thing again. As if we have tons of bucks to spend on computer
>>>>>>>>> repairs
>>>>>>>>> every time we turn around. Sorry for this tone but this is really
>>>>>>>>> annoying when you have other issues to address such as a guide
>>>>>>>>> dog
>>>>>>>>> being over-due for routine veterinary care and help isn't
>>>>>>>>> fourth-coming not even from the guide dog school. Otherwise
>>>>>>>>> Mary's
>>>>>>>>> computer is usable. We've discovered some work-arounds to deal
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> file management issues until this situation can be remedied
>>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>>> permanently. Interestingly enough we have not had this trouble
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> our Windows XP machines. Go figure Microsoft!All the best. I'm
>>>>>>>>> off to
>>>>>>>>> Camp Tejas for the weekend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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