[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Thu May 22 14:59:49 UTC 2014

Hello:
I like CRT, but I couldn't ever get Jaws to track the cursor well enough 
to use either emacs or vi. How did you pull this off?
On 5/22/2014 4:15 AM, William Grussenmeyer via nfbcs wrote:
> I used secureCRT and emacs/vi on the command line in Linux for my
> masters in CS... I progrrrammed a whole operating system + a CPU data
> path along with a bunch of other thigns in it.  I don't know much
> about systems administration in it though.  I know some systems admins
> use a lot of GUI tools.  Although I had one IT guy who is sighted tell
> me that any admin worth his salt uses ssh and the command line.  ALso,
> I hate orca.
>
> On 5/21/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I've wanted to use cygwin for a while, just haven't had the time to set
>> it up--I'm looking for something that will actually allow me to edit in
>> the shell (preferably through emacs). Right now I use Secure CRT (a
>> really old version) and WinSCP for editing.
>> On 5/21/2014 8:49 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>> I ssh from my Windows laptop to a Linux desktop. I use Cygwin, which is a
>>> little hard to get installed, but it works well once installed. To the
>>> best
>>> of my knowledge, none of the commandlines work perfectly with JAWS, but
>>> Cygwin works better than some.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
>>> via
>>> nfbcs
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:45 PM
>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>
>>> Do you use a Windows ssh client?  I have been using teraterm myself.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions as I
>>>> do it every day at work.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Barbour
>>>> via nfbcs
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
>>>> To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>
>>>> I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points to
>>>> make.
>>>>
>>>> First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.  It
>>>> keeps getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll have
>>>> to get used to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
>>>>
>>>> However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a
>>>> terminal
>>>> -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
>>>>
>>>> If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from the
>>>> command line, this opens up two other options for you.
>>>>
>>>> First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh
>>>> connections.
>>>> ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
>>>>
>>>> If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can
>>>> enable them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows
>>>> machine and use jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux box.
>>>> You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you can
>>>> do many tasks at once.
>>>>
>>>> Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and
>>>> instead just run a terminal based screen reader.  There are two that I
>>> know of.
>>>> Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the terminal,
>>>> behaving like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago.  Your keystrokes
>>>> get echoed, your output gets read to you, you can use review cursors
>>>> to explore the screen, you can use programs that divide your physical
>>>> screen into several logical ones, so you can do multiple things at once,
>>> etc.
>>>> If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about them
>>>> here and one of us can tell you more.
>>>>
>>>> Take Care,
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a huge learning curve?
>>>>> I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted reader.
>>>>> Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar linux. I
>>>>>> don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so impressed
>>>>>> with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do linux
>>>>>> support for a living. I have not tried the latest version though.
>>>>>> They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to basing
>>>>>> it on arch (I think).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list about
>>>>>> standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to switch
>>>>>> from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took
>>>>>> myself off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee that
>>>>>> there will be no changes. I was about the only one who even seemed
>>>>>> to think it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be wrong
>>>>>> to change the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would hope
>>>>>> for, though, it to get people to agree that if some standardization
>>>>>> could be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go for
>>>>>> that. It's
>>>> ridiculous, IMO.
>>>>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU  box
>>>>>>> started so that it has some varriant of speech that functions
>>>>>>> simillarly to JAWS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I-- have no idea where to start with this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been diving
>>>>>>> into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would like to
>>>>>>> get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups /
>>>>>>> Listservs welcome.
>>>>>>> I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian  C. Bray
>>>>>>> Louisville, KY
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>> Ty
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>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
>> dares not reason is a slave.
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