[nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

Sat May 31 03:24:54 UTC 2014

OK,
If you find it, and can help me get set up, I'd greatly appreciate it
I dont' care if it's SecureCRT or not, I just need
a terminal client SSH Client that TALKS. LOL!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Grussenmeyer via nfbcs" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request

> Well the secureCRT website has some info about setting the
> accessibility options for screen readers.  ALso, there was a jaws
> script that someone at oracle I think made that you can google.  I do
> remember having a problem with emacs -- I think I wrote my own jaws
> script to help the cursor out and that fixed things.  I don't know if
> I have any of this laying around.  I'll have to check my old computer.
> ALso, I don't remember having a problem with VI at all.  Maybe I was
> using an updated version of secureCRT which worked fine with VI.
>
> On 5/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello:
>> I like CRT, but I couldn't ever get Jaws to track the cursor well enough
>> to use either emacs or vi. How did you pull this off?
>> On 5/22/2014 4:15 AM, William Grussenmeyer via nfbcs wrote:
>>> I used secureCRT and emacs/vi on the command line in Linux for my
>>> masters in CS... I progrrrammed a whole operating system + a CPU data
>>> path along with a bunch of other thigns in it.  I don't know much
>>> about systems administration in it though.  I know some systems admins
>>> use a lot of GUI tools.  Although I had one IT guy who is sighted tell
>>> me that any admin worth his salt uses ssh and the command line.  ALso,
>>> I hate orca.
>>>
>>> On 5/21/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I've wanted to use cygwin for a while, just haven't had the time to set
>>>> it up--I'm looking for something that will actually allow me to edit in
>>>> the shell (preferably through emacs). Right now I use Secure CRT (a
>>>> really old version) and WinSCP for editing.
>>>> On 5/21/2014 8:49 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>> I ssh from my Windows laptop to a Linux desktop. I use Cygwin, which 
>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>> little hard to get installed, but it works well once installed. To the
>>>>> best
>>>>> of my knowledge, none of the commandlines work perfectly with JAWS, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> Cygwin works better than some.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
>>>>> via
>>>>> nfbcs
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:45 PM
>>>>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you use a Windows ssh client?  I have been using teraterm myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Nicole Torcolini via nfbcs
>>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> If you decide to take the ssh route, I can also answer questions as I
>>>>>> do it every day at work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim 
>>>>>> Barbour
>>>>>> via nfbcs
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:53 AM
>>>>>> To: Ian C. Bray via nfbcs
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not John, but I do use Linux/UNIX daily and have a few points to
>>>>>> make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, Orca is not as stable as JAWS, Window Eyes, or voiceover.  It
>>>>>> keeps getting worked on, and I would call it usable, but you'll have
>>>>>> to get used to more crashes, hangs, inconsistant behavior, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, much of what gets done in Linux can be done from inside a
>>>>>> terminal
>>>>>> -- think of a fancier cmd.exe window.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you figure out that what you need linux for can be done from the
>>>>>> command line, this opens up two other options for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, you can find out if your linux box allows incoming ssh
>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>> ssh is a method for accessing other, most UNIX like, hosts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If your linux box allows incoming ssh connections, or if you can
>>>>>> enable them, then you can install an ssh client on your windows
>>>>>> machine and use jaws plus your ssh client to access your linux box.
>>>>>> You can have as many ssh sessions opened as you like, meaning you can
>>>>>> do many tasks at once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, you can configure your linux box to not run X-windows, and
>>>>>> instead just run a terminal based screen reader.  There are two that 
>>>>>> I
>>>>> know of.
>>>>>> Terminal based screen readers operate directly within the terminal,
>>>>>> behaving like DOS screen readers from 30 years ago.  Your keystrokes
>>>>>> get echoed, your output gets read to you, you can use review cursors
>>>>>> to explore the screen, you can use programs that divide your physical
>>>>>> screen into several logical ones, so you can do multiple things at
>>>>>> once,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>>> If any of this sounds interesting to you, feel free to ask about them
>>>>>> here and one of us can tell you more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take Care,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 09:10:17AM -0400, Ian  C. Bray via nfbcs
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there a huge learning curve?
>>>>>>> I'm a JAWS user, but know nothing of ORCA and your suggeted reader.
>>>>>>> Are ORCA & Yours similar to operate??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G. Heim via nfbcs"
>>>>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> To: "NFB in Computer Science Mailing List" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 1:49 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Accessible UNIX / LINUX Help Request
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my opinion, the best talking distro out there is sonar linux. I
>>>>>>>> don't know the URL, you can google that though. I was so impressed
>>>>>>>> with sonar I installed it on my machine at home. And I do linux
>>>>>>>> support for a living. I have not tried the latest version though.
>>>>>>>> They recently switched from basing their distro on linux to basing
>>>>>>>> it on arch (I think).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you need something based on ubuntu, you can try vinux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is currently a huge debate going on on the orca list about
>>>>>>>> standardizing the key bindings to make it easier for users to 
>>>>>>>> switch
>>>>>>>> from Windows to linux. It has gotten heated enough that I took
>>>>>>>> myself off the list for a while. But I can virtually guarantee that
>>>>>>>> there will be no changes. I was about the only one who even seemed
>>>>>>>> to think it was worth considering. I'll admit that it would be 
>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>> to change the orca keys to be like those of jaws. What I would hope
>>>>>>>> for, though, it to get people to agree that if some standardization
>>>>>>>> could be done, it would be a good thing. People won't even go for
>>>>>>>> that. It's
>>>>>> ridiculous, IMO.
>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:34 AM, Ian C. Bray via nfbcs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there anyone out there who can help me get an UBUNTU  box
>>>>>>>>> started so that it has some varriant of speech that functions
>>>>>>>>> simillarly to JAWS?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I-- have no idea where to start with this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tami Jarvis spoke to me about ORCA-- and I have only been diving
>>>>>>>>> into my own SEMI-Professional Accessibility Needs recently.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have an ancient LAPTOP with 12.8 LTS on it, and I would like to
>>>>>>>>> get back to my Unix / Linux Tinkering.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mentorship & off-line phone conversations & EMail Groups /
>>>>>>>>> Listservs welcome.
>>>>>>>>> I do not do well in forums-- but I'm not saying I won't try.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ian  C. Bray
>>>>>>>>> Louisville, KY
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>>>> --
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Ty
>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
>>>> that
>>>> dares not reason is a slave.
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