[nfbcs] FW: Seeking suggestions for helping blind students with math

Sat Jan 14 22:56:28 UTC 2017

Math is not visual. Sighted people just make it visual the way they do for everything else. You don't really need a particular app to do math. You can write it on the computer. Even know you aren't good at math yourself, you can still help them. You can make sure they know what is available and what they are missing out on. You can make sure they are aware of your universities process for disputing an appropriate accommodations as well as how to file a complaint with the department of justice. You can also make sure their stuff is formatted correctly so they can read the equations, but you probably already knew that. At least they have someone like you. My university just give me a stupid PDF textbooks and I have had to file a complaint with the department of justice because they don't care that I can't read the equations. Well, there was a bunch of other stuff too, but it was putting my degree in jeopardy, so I had to do something. I still don't know how it will turn out, but in an arena where only 11% of college ready blind people actually graduate, it's worth a try. Maybe some of your students should be braille reader's, but were denied braille instruction. Sadly, unless you know one of the math editing languages, most people would have to do math using computer braille or by typing on the computer because Namath does not translate well into print. It is very hard to find accessible materials for math. Even if you want to look things up on the Internet, it is very hard to find things that were written using math ML. Maybe you should work with the disability office at your school. You could say that you have noticed a lot of blind students are struggling in math, and you want to work with them to improve training for the professors. Professors in the stem fields whack training for some reason. I don't know why. Other than that, I don't know what to say. I hate school because I get to experience with sighted people think of blind people every day. Maybe at the very least, you could find them some sort of professor or something who thinks of them as equal to the other students if such a person exists, and maybe they can provide direction on how to best navigate the courses.

Sabra Ewing

> On Jan 14, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Louis Maher via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Dr. Denise Robinson
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> Is very knowledgeable on methods for performing math calculations.
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> From: Jude DaShiell via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org> >
> Date: January 11, 2017 at 5:29:20 PM PST
> To: Deborah Armstrong via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org> >
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> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Seeking suggestions for helping blind students with math
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> Too few blind math teachers is how math became such a visual subject to teach not to mention over-emphasis on graphs.
> The khanacademy.com <http://khanacademy.com>  website has lessons that at least put some text up on the screen.
> Of course, over-emphasis on the abacus has had at least one consequence too.  Those abacus users don't do long division on paper the way sighted students learn to do it and that in turn gets them into all kinds of complications in higher math specifically algebra and calculus.
> There may be limited value to doing graphs the way the Babylonians did them on clay tablets sculpy is good since it can be used again.  A pointed stick can be used to draw the graphs in the clay.
> Before there were graphs tables of numbers would have been used for multiple data points than students could be shown the relatedness of changing values in specific columns of those tables.
> In fact, photogrametry is how space exploration data gets returned to earth then decoded and put into those pictures the sighted like to look at so much.  What photogrametry does is make a data table based on locations where a line changes direction and sends only that data back.
> I too was an early mainstreaming experiment but did get math in high school and I've been a braille user since 1959 and have some idea from where you are coming.
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> On Wed, 11 Jan 2017, Deborah Armstrong via nfbcs wrote:
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> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 18:45:08
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> From: Deborah Armstrong via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org <mailto:nfbcs at nfbnet.org> >
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> Cc: Deborah Armstrong <armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu <mailto:armstrongdeborah at fhda.edu> >
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> Subject: [nfbcs] Seeking suggestions for helping blind students with math
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> This might be a bit off-topic, but here goes. I am blind and work at a community college, mostly with LD students. But because I am blind, blind students naturally see me as a mentor though I'm just the alternate media specialist. My job is to acquire their books in alternate formats, to convert the books if necessary and to assist them in learning to read with access technology. I am not expected to worry about whether they can pass math, but I do!
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> Anyway, I know of three students this quarter, and there could be more, who are struggling with math, either pre-algebra, algebra or statistics.
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> When I was in school I was expected to use the abacus for calculating and the Braille writer with Nemeth to work problems. I was an early experiment in mainstreaming, so never took any math in high school at all. I wasn't good in math. It wasn't until I learned to write software that I discovered how much fun it was to craft programs to solve problems. So I'm not really mentor material for these struggling students.
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> I feel powerless about how to help them, and nowadays if you don't pass intermediat algebra you can't get even an AA. And if you don't pass statistics most humanities degrees are also out of reach. With my LD students I can help them find tutors, or get the book from Learning Ally, or show them how to mask off part of a textbook page so they can avoid confusion while reading. But the basic problem for my BVI students is that even the tutors have no idea how to work with someone who cannot see.
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> Nearly all my BVI students have iPADS and yet I've never found an app that will let them work problems like a sighted person using a pencil. Seems like there should be an app to do this. And as for Braille, I haven't seen any Braille readers entering this college for the past seven years. A few students can see well enough to magnify the class whiteboard for short periods but often it's not effective enough to truly follow the instructor.
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> The students succeed well enough in other courses where they can take notes on an iDEVICE, and use NVDA or VoiceOver or Zoom on their Mac at home to go online. But with math you have to write down the intermediate steps as you solve a problem, be able to show your work to your tutor, and follow the instructor solving problems in class.
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> And I go to classes with them to observe the problem and the instructors are all working equations on the board, pointing to various parts of the equation and not even speaking in full sentences. How has math become such a highly visual subject to teach?
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> Anyway, I hate seeing all these young people fail. How can I help them?
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