[nfbcs] Some thoughtful writing on how to get accessibility and how to avoid not having it stop you from doing what you want to do

Tue Sep 12 02:39:57 UTC 2017

hi,

collaboration?
people can ask questions and sometimes others can provide a solution or give
thoughts of what to try but I don't remember any collaboration on here like
how to's or tip lists sent from the division.
i.e. how to manage word comments when jaws won't allow access to the reply
to comment button!
I fought this for hours yesterday and it only took about 15 minutes sitting
with someone sighted to figure it out.
Bryan

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Donald Winiecki
via nfbcs
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 4:42 PM
To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Some thoughtful writing on how to get accessibility and
how to avoid not having it stop you from doing what you want to do

Thanks Andy, for adding your voice.  I've got some homework and paperwork
to do in order to make it possible for me and collaborators to begin a
research project that would involve individuals on this list.

Stay tuned for more from me and others on this.

Best,

_don

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
*Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
Boise State University, College of Engineering
Dept of Organizational Performance & Workplace Learning (OPWL)
1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
WWW: http://opwl.boisestate.edu
Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Andy B. via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> For what it's worth, I have accessibility/lack there of in a university
> setting as a student. Currently, I am in my MBA in small business IT
> degree.
> I do have a B.S. in IS/application development if this will help.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Donald Winiecki
> via nfbcs
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:24 PM
> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Donald Winiecki <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Some thoughtful writing on how to get accessibility
> and
> how to avoid not having it stop you from doing what you want to do
>
> For what it's worth:
>
> As a phenomenological sociologist, a braille transcriber and a faculty
> member in a College of Engineering, I would be very happy to collaborate
> with individuals who have first hand experiences with respect to
> accessibility/inaccessibility, to produce articles for Braille Monitor,
and
> perhaps even for submission to the Journal of Blindness Innovation and
> Research, or other journals.
>
> To clarify elements of my opening sentences, being a phenomenological
> sociologist means that I pay attention to *the individual's experience as
> an
> essential component of practice* in social settings, including learning
and
> working environments.
>
> As a faculty member, I teach courses related to needs assessment, and
> professional ethics and morality. Needs Assessments are systematic
> processes
> undertaken in order to determine what has to be done to fix a certain
> problem, or improve things to some degree. The idea of professional ethics
> is probably pretty well understood in general.  I think they dovetail
> nicely
> on the issues under discussion in this thread.
>
> If you're interested in collaboration to this end, please don't hesitate
to
> contact me here or off-list at <dwiniecki at boisestate.edu>.  The range of
> things that count for `collaboration` is huge, and includes reading and
> writing with me, and even just telling me stories that describe your
> experiences in minute, click-by-click detail with others or independently.
>
> _don
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice* Boise State
> University, College of Engineering Dept of Organizational Performance &
> Workplace Learning (OPWL)
> 1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
> Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> WWW: http://opwl.boisestate.edu
> Telephone: (+01) 208 426 1899
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Gary Wunder via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I write this to the computer science list, but feel free to pass it
> > along to others if you think they may contribute. In a number of
> > threads I read on this list and others, many of us are frustrated by
> > the lack of accessibility we find in required software. We rejoice
> > when president Riccobono tells us about a challenge undertaken and a
> > company we have one over to accessibility. What sometimes goes unsaid
> > and may be misunderstood is that we can't sue everybody all at the
> > same time. So the question many of us tackle is how we get what we
> > need while at the same time pressing for what we really want. The
> > solution seems obvious: using a human reader while trying to engage
> > the company in dialogue. But my experience of late is that this is not
> > considered a legitimate way to react by accessibility evangelists who
> > seem to characterize the use of a human reader as a selling out or
> > breaking a sacred packed with others who want accessibility. Now I
> > enjoy the philosophical debate that goes on here, but I hate it when
> > people miss opportunities that could bring them good careers.
> >
> > All of this is by way of introduction, I am actually pandering. I am
> > looking for thoughtful articles on the subject to appear in the pages
> > of the Braille Monitor. How do we feel about a piece of software that
> > is very usable once it is installed but cannot be installed by us
> > directly because there is a button that the screenreader cannot
> > identify labeled install. Would it be enough to dissuade you from
> > using that particular piece of software, or would you use the
> > software, tell the developer about his inaccessible installation
> > process, and take the time to complement him on those things that work
> > well? To what extent are we willing to use visual interpreting
> > services in order to have access? Do we view these services as
> > unacceptable, a temporary bridge until we get accessibility, or an
> > absolute necessity as we are overwhelmed by kiosks, ziosks, and
> > unattended food markets? If a service or a device is inaccessible and
> > we use a visual interpreter, does it matter whether that visual
> > interpreter serves us through artificial intelligence or biological
> > intelligence?
> >
> > I know it is always easier to ask provocative questions than to come
> > up with answers, but I would love to see the Braille Monitor explore
> > these issues.
> > We have done a bit on visual interpreting services, but I don't think
> > that we have begun to say all that needs to be said about how to
> > function in a world where accessibility is always a moving target. My
> > preference is to see articles; I would settle for a healthy discussion
> > from which one of us might create one or more articles.
> >
> > Thank you for reading the Braille Monitor, and thanks for considering
> > being an active part of what goes into it. Let's make this topic
> > something to write home about.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nfbcs mailing list
> > nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nfbcs:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/
> > dwiniecki%40boisestate.edu
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nfbcs mailing list
> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nfbcs:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/sonfire11%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nfbcs mailing list
> nfbcs at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nfbcs:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/
> dwiniecki%40boisestate.edu
>
_______________________________________________
nfbcs mailing list
nfbcs at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbcs:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.net

---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

.