[nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey

Kevin kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 13 17:54:42 UTC 2018 

I don't believe anyone is finger pointing.  This thread seems to have 
struck a nerve and I have mixed feelings about     that.



On 8/13/2018 1:38 PM, Jack Heim via nfbcs wrote:
> The first thing we need to do is to stop pointing fingers at each other.
>
> It is proper for those  of us who are highly motivated and successful 
> to take pride in our accomplishments. But everybody makes mistakes. If 
> you are successful, some of it is just plain luck. Some of it was that 
> you happened to be in the right place at the right time. Some of it is 
> that nothing else whent wrong at a key moment in your life. And like 
> Vince Lombardi said, "Fatigue makes cowards of us all." You can have 
> the motivation beaten out of you. At the very least, we have to stop 
> letting the few people who are only out to take advantage of the 
> system define our own picture of who we are. Those people exist but 
> they  are not us.
>
> One time, on another list, someone posted a story about how a woman 
> had gotten kicked out of a fast food restaurant  because she had a 
> guide dog. When the police showed up, they asked if it was a "Seeing 
> Eye" dog. She said, no, it was a guide dog from some other school. 
> Then the police sided with the restaurant. On the email list, there 
> was a huge debate over whether it was the woman's own fault that she 
> got kicked out of the restaurant. I don't think the woman did anything 
> wrong. But even if she did, so what?  Too many people said that if 
> they were there, they'd have handled it differently. Fine, maybe you 
> are perfect and this woman isn't. So what?
>
> There is a huge difference between telling someone who has been 
> knocked down time after time that they need to take a look in the 
> mirror and telling them that they just absolutely have to get up one 
> more time.
>
> On 08/12/2018 08:36 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>> Hi Jack,
>>
>> Where do you believe advocates and blind people need to focus their
>> attention in order to solve this problem?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jack Heim via nfbcs
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:39 PM
>> To: NFB in Computer Science Mailing List <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Jack Heim <john at johnheim.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>>
>> Kevin, I'd like to know what your experience has been in the blind
>> community. Because the more work I do, the less I think focusing on 
>> the man
>> in the mirror is a meaningful message. In my experience, most blind 
>> people
>> are already highly motivated. In fact, I'd say mostpeople who are not
>> disabled have no idea how motivated the average disabled person is.
>> I've seen examples of strength that would make a lot of guys in special
>> forces blanche. For example, the last time I was at the guide dog school
>> there was a woman there getting a dog. She was about 30 and she had 
>> multiple
>> Sclerosis. Every morning, we would be at breakfast and she would be 
>> bubbling
>> on about how excited she was about that day's training. We were going 
>> to do
>> crowds, escalators, whatever. And every day, she would get off the bus,
>> tears running down her cheeks because she hadn't done half of what 
>> she had
>> planned and was totally eshausted.
>> MS is a fi'in mean disease. But then the next morning, she would be 
>> right
>> back at it. She would be sitting there all excited about that day's
>> training.
>>
>> I've seen people get knocked down dozens of times and get right back 
>> up and
>> just try harder. You get  a rejection letter after a job interview
>> -- their loss. From what I see, I just don't know where the strength 
>> comes
>> from.
>>
>>
>> It's all good to tell people to look at the man in the mirror but I 
>> gotta
>> say, for most blind people, I think they could do that with pride.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2018 11:54 AM, Kevin via nfbcs wrote:
>>   > It is not so broken that we get nowhere.  It seems that you take 
>> a dim
>>   > view indeed.  The system needs work but why not rise abuv it?  Do 
>> you
>>   > feel it's hopeless to do so?
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >
>>   > On 8/12/2018 12:50 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>>   >> The point is people will not get anywhere if the legal system is
>>   >> broken and discrimination is allowed to continue. Motivate all the
>>   >> blind people in the world to work and it will mostly fail if the
>>   >> broken system of rules and regulations + the wall of discrimination
>>   >> continues.
>>   >>
>>   >>
>>   >> -----Original Message-----
>>   >> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via nfbcs
>>   >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:43 PM
>>   >> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>   >> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>>   >> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>>   >>
>>   >> That is only one half of the equation.  We must drive one 
>> another on.
>>   >>
>>   >>
>>   >>
>>   >> On 8/12/2018 12:37 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>>   >>> No offense taken. However, with a broken system known as the ADA
>>   >>> (2008), the problem needs a more direct approach such as 
>> lobbying or
>>   >>> new/revised legislation.
>>   >>>
>>   >>> -----Original Message-----
>>   >>> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via 
>> nfbcs
>>   >>> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 6:20 PM
>>   >>> To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
>>   >>> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>>   >>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>>   >>>
>>   >>> I agree and I meant no offense by this.  I was operating under the
>>   >>> theory that if we can empower the blind to get involved, we can in
>>   >>> turn empower the sighted to at least take some baby steps towards
>>   >>> hiring the blind.
>>   >>>
>>   >>>
>>   >>>
>>   >>> On 8/11/2018 5:42 PM, Andy Borka via nfbcs wrote:
>>   >>>> We don't need to convince blind people to get out and work. We 
>> need
>>   >>>> to convince employers to hire qualified blind people to do the 
>> work.
>>   >>>> More people are denied work because of disability, age, and other
>>   >>>> protected classes set out by the ADA and EEOC. With a blog to
>>   >>>> convince blind people to get out and contribute, more employers
>>   >>>> might think we are lazy and can't do much. Besides, performing
>>   >>>> research doesn't pay the bills.
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>   >>>> From: nfbcs <nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kevin via 
>> nfbcs
>>   >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 1:55 PM
>>   >>>> To: 'NFB in Computer Science Mailing List' <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>>   >>>> Cc: Kevin <kevinsisco61784 at gmail.com>
>>   >>>> Subject: [nfbcs] The Future of Technology: A Journey
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>> I post this in the hopes that it inspires blind computer 
>> scientists
>>   >>>> to help the field as a whole advance.  Let's Encourage blind
>>   >>>> researchers to get out there!  I have created a blog of essays,
>>   >>>> algorithms, and anything related to computer science.  The 
>> goal is
>>   >>>> to show the world that blind people can have a voice in computer
>>   >>>> science.  The link is:
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>> http://tfotaj.blogspot.com
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>> Enjoy!  P.S. contributors are welcome.
>>   >>>>
>>   >>>>
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