[nfbcs] Laptop without bloatware

Tue May 29 15:23:36 UTC 2018

Tom,

Could you explain what you mean by "side load?"  I am going to check the
documentation that came with my system to see if I need to take similar
steps should I have trouble.  I have already had some issues with Windows
updates not happening but I'm not sure whom I should blame for that.
<smile>.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Hi,
When I did my install the ssd did not show up in the installer because the
driver for the controller was not included in the standard install image.
This is why I had to side load the driver.
I have done lots of installs and this is really the only time I was in the
situation that I found myself needing to side load a controller driver.

Tom

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Tom,

You have certainly grabbed my attention.  While it is perhaps not common for
a laptop to have two drives, I have a desktop with an SSD drive and a
standard hard drive and there is no partition.  I suspect this configuration
is very common.  If I create a startup DVD from this desktop, I can see that
possibly any drivers are included.  However, as was mentioned earlier, one
can also "reset" a PC effectively reinstalling Windows from files on one's
hard drive, and one could theoretically install Windows from a DVD created
by another computer as long as it is the same version.  I gather you are
saying that in some cases the SSD may not be accessible when one does a new
install without being certain you have the driver available or "side
installed".  I assumed an SSD has the software within it to emulate a hard
drive.  What is it that you found you needed to do?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Hi,
I wasn't trying to scare anyone.
Most machines will install right off the usb media or dvd that you make.
My machine was a special case because it has two hard drives in it and most
laptop style machines do not.

Tom

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Hi Chris.
I saw you said that, but it sounds very painful to me.  I really do not
enjoy messing about with the nitty-gritty of PC's.  If installing Windows is
as simple as, say, installing Jaws, or updating IOS, then I could tackle it,
but if I have to do things like "sideways installation of drivers", forget
about it.
Tracy

> I know I'm repeating myself, but when I bought my HP Envy, I just 
> installed a clean copy of Windows to remove all of HP's software and 
> the trialware that came preinstalled on my system. It didn't cost me 
> any extra. I just followed the instructions at 
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10startfresh
>
>
> On 05/28/2018 01:22 PM, Tracy Carcione via nfbcs wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone for all the interesting suggestions.
>> It seems like not getting bloatware makes a laptop more expensive, 
>> maybe.  I suppose the bloatware sellers give a kickback?
>> I'm going to ask my boss for ideas, too, as he really knows this stuff.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbcs [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael 
>> Doise via nfbcs
>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 1:19 PM
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>> Cc: Michael Doise; Nancy Coffman
>> Subject: Re: [nfbcs] Laptop without bloatware
>>
>> A good way to shop for Windows laptops is to look for one that says 
>> it is a Microsoft Signature edition machine. This ensures that you 
>> get the intended Windows experience without bloatware.
>>
>> Hope this helps you guys.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 27, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Nancy Coffman via nfbcs 
>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Keep us posted on what you find please. I think there are a lot of 
>>> us
>> looking for one of those.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Chris Nestrud via nfbcs 
>>>> <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> I recently bought a Lenovo P51. It was pretty much standard Windows
>>>> 10 as far as I could tell, maybe one or two Lenovo-specific apps. 
>>>> Nice keyboard including numpad, good build quality, fast, no issues.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 01:19:10PM -0400, Tracy Carcione via nfbcs
>> wrote:
>>>>> I'd like to research laptops without any of the usual bloatware 
>>>>> loaded.
>>>>> I'm thinking all I want is the OS, and I'll add what I want, thank 
>>>>> you very much.
>>>>> Can someone suggest the right words for search for such a thing on
>> Amazon
>>>>> or Froogle?  It's easy to search for something "with" but not so 
>>>>> easy
>> for
>>>>> "without".
>>>>> Or, if someone has bought such a machine, what brand and where?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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