[NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work

[Brian Buhrow]

	hello.   Another possibility is to install the Ubuntu software on
Windows 10 and use Yasr on the Ubuntu windows and Jaws or NVDA on the browser
windows.  If you're using a command line terminal environment, Linux screen
readers are far better than any Windows based screen readers and will make
you  much much more efficient in that environment.  I don't know what Jira
is, but if there is a way to get at it with a browser that's not javascript
capable, then the Lynx browser works very well in terminal environments and
wil give you full access.  The tmux program will allow you to cut and paste
from window to window inside your terminal environment.  Alternatively, if
there are command line tools that can access the Jira data, you might find
that is a better way to go.  Or, yet another way, is if you're handy with
scripting languages and curl, you may be able to write yourself some
scripts that put the data where you need it using curl.  
	I have not tried the Ubuntu under Windows environment yet, so don't
know if you can cut and paste between the two environments, but I'm
guessing you can, so that might be a sufficient solution for your needs.
	What you'll find is that if you teach yourself how stuff works under
the hood, there are often different ways to get a job done and, by learning
that stuff, you'll find you increase your value as an employee.

-thanks
-Brian


On Aug 7, 12:55pm, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
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} I'd also need to be able to use web applications and copy and paste
} terminal output into JIRA; I'm concerned with how well that would work on a
} linux-only box. I haven't used a linux screen reader before but I have
} heard it's not the best experience.
} 
} Best regards,
} 
} Ryan Boudwin
} ryanboudwin at gmail.com
} 
} 
} 
} On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brian Buhrow <buhrow at nfbcal.org> wrote:
} 
} >         hello.  As a long time Unix person who uses terminals over ssh on a
} > daily basis with screen readers, I strongly recommend you build yourself a
} > Linux box and ssh to your remote sites from there.  Then, you can either
} > use Speakup or Yasr as your screen reader.  I use Yasr with the
} > eflite/flite
} > software speech engine.  This combination of software will give you full
} > access to screen oriented programs in terminal environments.  While I think
} > things are changing a bit, terminal access using Jaws, NVDA or VoiceOver
} > is, in my experience, doable, but very very suboptimal.  As proof of that,
} > you'll  probably get a number of folks writing back on this question
} > suggesting that terminal access works fine using the Windows screen
} > readers, but that you'll find it easier to edit files on the local Windows
} > machine and then transfer them up using scp or some other file transfer
} > protocol once you're done.  that is a very inefficient way to edit files on
} > remote servers.  The combination of software I suggest lets me edit files
} > with ease in their native environments on the servers on which they belong.
} >
} > Hope this helps.
} > -Brian
} >
} > On Aug 7, 11:59am, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS wrote:
} > } Subject: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work
} > } Hey folks,
} > }
} > } I am considering a return to a technical individual contributor role. The
} > } job requires a significant amount of terminal work, over SSH to remote
} > } linux servers.
} > }
} > } What OS/screen reader/ssh client combination is the best/easiest/most
} > } reliable to use? I have access to JAWS, NVDA or Voiceover as needed but I
} > } haven't done terminal work since my blindness hit.
} > }
} > } Best regards,
} > }
} > } Ryan Boudwin
} > } ryanboudwin at gmail.com
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} <div dir=3D"ltr">I'd also need to be able to use web applications and c=
} opy and paste terminal output into JIRA; I'm concerned with how well th=
} at would work on a linux-only box. I haven't used a linux screen reader=
}  before but I have heard it's not the best experience.<div><br></div><d=
} iv><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_=
} signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards,<div><br></div><div>Ryan Boudwin</=
} div><div><a href=3D"mailto:ryanboudwin at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ryanbou=
} dwin at gmail.com</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><b=
} r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, =
} Aug 7, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brian Buhrow <<a href=3D"mailto:buhrow at nfbcal.or=
} g">buhrow at nfbcal.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
} te" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204=
} );padding-left:1ex">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hello.=C2=A0 As a long time=
}  Unix person who uses terminals over ssh on a<br>
} daily basis with screen readers, I strongly recommend you build yourself a<=
} br>
} Linux box and ssh to your remote sites from there.=C2=A0 Then, you can eith=
} er<br>
} use Speakup or Yasr as your screen reader.=C2=A0 I use Yasr with the eflite=
} /flite<br>
} software speech engine.=C2=A0 This combination of software will give you fu=
} ll<br>
} access to screen oriented programs in terminal environments.=C2=A0 While I =
} think<br>
} things are changing a bit, terminal access using Jaws, NVDA or VoiceOver<br=
} >
} is, in my experience, doable, but very very suboptimal.=C2=A0 As proof of t=
} hat,<br>
} you'll=C2=A0 probably get a number of folks writing back on this questi=
} on<br>
} suggesting that terminal access works fine using the Windows screen<br>
} readers, but that you'll find it easier to edit files on the local Wind=
} ows<br>
} machine and then transfer them up using scp or some other file transfer<br>
} protocol once you're done.=C2=A0 that is a very inefficient way to edit=
}  files on<br>
} remote servers.=C2=A0 The combination of software I suggest lets me edit fi=
} les<br>
} with ease in their native environments on the servers on which they belong.=
} <br>
} <br>
} Hope this helps.<br>
} -Brian<br>
} <br>
} On Aug 7, 11:59am, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS wrote:<br>
} } Subject: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work<br>
} } Hey folks,<br>
} } <br>
} } I am considering a return to a technical individual contributor role. The=
} <br>
} } job requires a significant amount of terminal work, over SSH to remote<br=
} >
} } linux servers.<br>
} } <br>
} } What OS/screen reader/ssh client combination is the best/easiest/most<br>
} } reliable to use? I have access to JAWS, NVDA or Voiceover as needed but I=
} <br>
} } haven't done terminal work since my blindness hit.<br>
} } <br>
} } Best regards,<br>
} } <br>
} } Ryan Boudwin<br>
} } <a href=3D"mailto:ryanboudwin at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ryanboudwin at gm=
} ail.com</a><br>
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} >-- End of excerpt from Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS<br>
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