[NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work
Littlefield, Tyler
tyler at tysdomain.com
Mon Aug 10 02:47:29 UTC 2020
I haven't looked at espeakup in quite some time, I could attempt to get
it compiled on BSD, but could we just steal a chunk of that code and
specifying a backend?
This would get around a lot of the speech-dispatcher/speech-up issues,
unless the latter is no longer used. I haven't needed speech-dispatcher
in at least 10 years, so there may have been changes since then.
TL/DR: willing to help work on something cleaner if needed, although I
can only promise it would likely work on BSD and would need Linux testers.
Thanks,
On 8/9/2020 10:17 PM, Mike Gorse via NFBCS wrote:
> A few things:
>
> I haven't tested yasr or eflite on WSL so far, although it sounds like
> it should be on my list of things to do. (Does WSL require Windows 10
> these days, or does it still work on Windows 7? I've been considering
> replacing my old netbook that I use when I want to use Windows; just
> haven't been able to bring myself to spend the money to do it since I
> don't use Windows that often).
>
> Yasr.conf now assumes speech-dispatcher by default. To use eflite,
> you'll need to adjust the Synthesizer line (there should be a
> commented line for an emacspeak server) and set "Synthesizer port" to
> |/usr/local/bin/eflite (or wherever your eflite binary is). As an
> aside, the speech-dispatcher support has some bit rot that I haven't
> taken the time to fix (speech-dispatcher no longer uses a tcp
> connection by default).
>
> You can test whether eflite is working by running it and entering
> something like the following:
> q {test}
> d
>
> You should then hear "test". If you don't, then something isn't working.
>
> I've moved both yasr and eflite to github. I've made a few changes to
> eflite to try to fix some issues but haven't made a new release so far.
> https://github.com/mgorse/yasr.git
> https://github.com/mgorse/eflite.git
>
> Anyway, sorry that this isn't more helpful.
>
> -Mike
>
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, Brian Buhrow via NFBCS wrote:
>
>> Hello. Jim is right. The first thing you want to do is make sure
>> eflite/flite can give you audio from the Linux system. Steps are
>> something
>> like:
>>
>> 0. Make sure you know how to get audio to play through your Windows
>> computer that was generated on the Linux system you're running inside
>> it.
>>
>> 1. Install flite. When you can get it to read you the Alice test file,
>> you're getting pretty close.
>>
>> 2. Install eflite from Mike Gorse's Yasr repository.
>>
>> 3. Install Yasr.
>>
>> There used to be a bug in Flite where you couldn't get good speech
>> interruptability due to some confusion about which ioctl's it used to
>> manage the sound device. I assume that problem is fixed, but if you
>> find,
>> after you get it talking, that you can't make speech stop when you
>> ask it
>> to, then let us know. I have read mixed reviews of Pulse Audio.
>> There are
>> times when it works great and does exactly what you want, which is
>> mostly
>> get out of the way, but there are other times when it becomes a huge
>> headache and needs to be discarded. I'm sure this depends on the
>> configuration of the particular Linux distro you're using, as well as
>> what
>> specific hardware you have. All this is to say that the most important
>> step, and probably the most difficult, is to figure out the working
>> mechanics of your Linux system's audio subsystem. Once you get that
>> working, you're 80% of the way there.
>> -thanks
>> -Brian
>>
>> On Aug 9, 4:07pm, Jim Barbour via NFBCS wrote:
>> } Subject: Re: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux terminal work
>> } I managed to only read the first paragraph of your message before
>> replying.
>> }
>> } Brian Buhrow will be much better able to help with the remaining
>> questions.
>> }
>> } Sorry for being a bit tonedeaf here.
>> }
>> } Jim
>> }
>> } On Sun, Aug 09, 2020 at 02:44:40PM -0600, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS
>> wrote:
>> } > So based on your feedback it seems like the best thing for me to
>> do is
>> } > going to be to stick with windows and just use yasr inside the
>> windows
>> } > subsystem for linux for my terminal work.
>> } >
>> } > I am having trouble getting yasr to work, I get a connection
>> refused error.
>> } >
>> } > I am wondering if i missed a dependency and if my configuration
>> is wrong.
>> } > Could one of the yasr users on here share a sample config file
>> that works?
>> } >
>> } > From the man page it seems like i need to specify a synthesizer
>> and a port
>> } > number.
>> } >
>> } > Which synthesizers work well with yasr? I have tried eflite but
>> it doesn???t
>> } > seem to be working.
>> } >
>> } > I haven???t been able to find any documentation on which port to
>> specify
>> } > either.
>> } >
>> } > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 4:47 AM Gabe Vega Commtech LLC via NFBCS <
>> } > nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> } >
>> } > > does anyone still use nano?
>> } > >
>> } > > On 8/7/2020 5:45 PM, Chris Nestrud via NFBCS wrote:
>> } > > > Brian,
>> } > > >
>> } > > > Thanks for the details. It sounds like cursor tracking may
>> not have been
>> } > > > working in your case, and I agree that an editor would be
>> pretty much
>> } > > > impossible to use in that situation. Once cursor tracking is
>> working
>> } > > > properly, you can navigate by line or character in vim and
>> get correct
>> } > > > feedback as the cursor moves. Routing
>> } > > > JAWS cursor to PC cursor will work as you'd expect. For
>> determining
>> } > > > row and column information, I either check the Secure CRT
>> status bar or
>> } > > > use ctrl+g in vim (or the vim ruler). I almost never edit
>> files locally
>> } > > > because using vim is faster and/or I'm using sudo to access a
>> different
>> } > > > account where the files are located.
>> } > > >
>> } > > > As with Perl, there's more than one way to do it. Hopefully
>> we've all
>> } > > > given everyone some alternatives to consider.
>> } > > >
>> } > > > Chris
>> } > > >
>> } > > > On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 01:50:07PM -0700, Brian Buhrow wrote:
>> } > > >> hello Chris. I may be working from out of date
>> knowledge, but here
>> } > > >> goes.
>> } > > >> In my view, the largest impediment to using a Windows based
>> ssh client
>> } > > from
>> } > > >> either the GUI or the command line is that once you've got a
>> terminal
>> } > > open,
>> } > > >> it's very difficult to know where the cursor is and how the
>> screen is
>> } > > laid
>> } > > >> out. Yes, you can type and here responses, but if you're
>> using a full
>> } > > >> screen editor like vi/vim or a full screen browser like
>> lynx, it's very
>> } > > >> difficult to know where your cursor is on the screen. The
>> most common
>> } > > >> problem I run into is if I'm in a Windows command line, and
>> I open up a
>> } > > ssh
>> } > > >> session and then, in that session, try to edit a file with
>> vi, it's very
>> } > > >> hard for me to tell what the X Y coordinates of a given
>> character are
>> } > > in my
>> } > > >> edit window. This makes it very challenging to write well
>> formatted
>> } > > >> text or programs, i.e. C with proper indentation or Perl
>> with proper
>> } > > >> indentation or, a real must, python with proper
>> indentation. In my
>> } > > native
>> } > > >> linux/Unix/Yasr environment, this is not a problem. I can
>> get the row
>> } > > and
>> } > > >> column information for every character on my screen at any
>> time.
>> } > > >> It may be that Secure-CRT solves this problem, as
>> you've suggested,
>> } > > >> but I've not used that program. I've used putty and
>> openssh, which
>> } > > don't
>> } > > >> provide that functionality with Jaws or NVDA as far as I'm
>> aware. In
>> } > > the
>> } > > >> past I've asked VFO about this, and they don't seem to
>> understand the
>> } > > >> problem. Perhaps they do now, but I haven't asked for a
>> long time.
>> } > > >> If it's more efficient for you to copy files from Linux
>> and edit
>> } > > them
>> } > > >> on your Windows machine, then copy them back up to the Linux
>> machine
>> } > > when
>> } > > >> you're done, so be it. In my view, this is highly
>> inefficient and
>> } > > fraught
>> } > > >> with a lot of different issues, not the least of which is that
>> } > > Linux/Unix
>> } > > >> use a different sequence of characters for representing new
>> lines in
>> } > > files.
>> } > > >> That can really trip you up when you're trying to edit
>> configuration
>> } > > files
>> } > > >> that are being read by programs that don't expect that
>> variability.
>> } > > >> Anyway, that,in a nut shell, is the most glaring issue
>> I'm aware
>> } > > of.
>> } > > >> -Brian
>> } > > >> On Aug 7, 3:25pm, Chris Nestrud via NFBCS wrote:
>> } > > >> } Subject: Re: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux
>> terminal work
>> } > > >> } Brian,
>> } > > >> }
>> } > > >> } Just trying to get more information. Can you give a couple
>> examples of
>> } > > >> } how a Windows-based screen reader using a command-line ssh
>> client is
>> } > > >> } inferior to a Linux-based screen reader using a
>> command-line ssh
>> } > > client?
>> } > > >> } I know that cursor tracking can be hard to get right in
>> some GUI
>> } > > >> } Windows ssh clients, but it works well out of the box in
>> command-line
>> } > > clients and in
>> } > > >> } my experience it works quite well once properly configured
>> in GUI
>> } > > >> } clients provided that the screen reader plays nicely. I'm
>> just trying
>> } > > to
>> } > > >> } figure out the advantage of a separate Linux machine or VM
>> given that
>> } > > >> } it's a lot to set up just for an ssh client and the separate
>> } > > environment
>> } > > >> } will make things such as copy/paste between Windows and
>> Linux more
>> } > > >> } difficult. For example I'll often copy the entire Secure
>> CRT buffer,
>> } > > >> } paste it into notepad, remove unneeded text, and paste the
>> result in a
>> } > > >> } Microsoft Teams message or email. What am I missing by not
>> using Linux
>> } > > >> } to host my ssh client?
>> } > > >> }
>> } > > >> } Chris
>> } > > >> }
>> } > > >> } On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 12:48:57PM -0700, Brian Buhrow via
>> NFBCS
>> } > > wrote:
>> } > > >> } > hello. Another possibility is to install the Ubuntu
>> software on
>> } > > >> } > Windows 10 and use Yasr on the Ubuntu windows and Jaws
>> or NVDA on
>> } > > the browser
>> } > > >> } > windows. If you're using a command line terminal
>> environment,
>> } > > Linux screen
>> } > > >> } > readers are far better than any Windows based screen
>> readers and
>> } > > will make
>> } > > >> } > you much much more efficient in that environment. I
>> don't know
>> } > > what Jira
>> } > > >> } > is, but if there is a way to get at it with a browser
>> that's not
>> } > > javascript
>> } > > >> } > capable, then the Lynx browser works very well in terminal
>> } > > environments and
>> } > > >> } > wil give you full access. The tmux program will allow
>> you to cut
>> } > > and paste
>> } > > >> } > from window to window inside your terminal environment.
>> } > > Alternatively, if
>> } > > >> } > there are command line tools that can access the Jira
>> data, you
>> } > > might find
>> } > > >> } > that is a better way to go. Or, yet another way, is if
>> you're
>> } > > handy with
>> } > > >> } > scripting languages and curl, you may be able to write
>> yourself some
>> } > > >> } > scripts that put the data where you need it using curl.
>> } > > >> } > I have not tried the Ubuntu under Windows environment
>> yet, so don't
>> } > > >> } > know if you can cut and paste between the two
>> environments, but I'm
>> } > > >> } > guessing you can, so that might be a sufficient solution
>> for your
>> } > > needs.
>> } > > >> } > What you'll find is that if you teach yourself how
>> stuff works
>> } > > under
>> } > > >> } > the hood, there are often different ways to get a job
>> done and, by
>> } > > learning
>> } > > >> } > that stuff, you'll find you increase your value as an
>> employee.
>> } > > >> } >
>> } > > >> } > -thanks
>> } > > >> } > -Brian
>> } > > >> } >
>> } > > >> } >
>> } > > >> } > On Aug 7, 12:55pm, Ryan Boudwin wrote:
>> } > > >> } > } Subject: Re: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux
>> terminal work
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>> } > > >> } > }
>> } > > >> } > } I'd also need to be able to use web applications and
>> copy and
>> } > > paste
>> } > > >> } > } terminal output into JIRA; I'm concerned with how well
>> that would
>> } > > work on a
>> } > > >> } > } linux-only box. I haven't used a linux screen reader
>> before but I
>> } > > have
>> } > > >> } > } heard it's not the best experience.
>> } > > >> } > }
>> } > > >> } > } Best regards,
>> } > > >> } > }
>> } > > >> } > } Ryan Boudwin
>> } > > >> } > } ryanboudwin at gmail.com
>> } > > >> } > }
>> } > > >> } > }
>> } > > >> } > }
>> } > > >> } > } On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:40 PM Brian Buhrow
>> <buhrow at nfbcal.org>
>> } > > wrote:
>> } > > >> } > }
>> } > > >> } > } > hello. As a long time Unix person who uses
>> terminals
>> } > > over ssh on a
>> } > > >> } > } > daily basis with screen readers, I strongly
>> recommend you build
>> } > > yourself a
>> } > > >> } > } > Linux box and ssh to your remote sites from there.
>> Then, you
>> } > > can either
>> } > > >> } > } > use Speakup or Yasr as your screen reader. I use
>> Yasr with the
>> } > > >> } > } > eflite/flite
>> } > > >> } > } > software speech engine. This combination of
>> software will give
>> } > > you full
>> } > > >> } > } > access to screen oriented programs in terminal
>> environments.
>> } > > While I think
>> } > > >> } > } > things are changing a bit, terminal access using
>> Jaws, NVDA or
>> } > > VoiceOver
>> } > > >> } > } > is, in my experience, doable, but very very
>> suboptimal. As
>> } > > proof of that,
>> } > > >> } > } > you'll probably get a number of folks writing back
>> on this
>> } > > question
>> } > > >> } > } > suggesting that terminal access works fine using the
>> Windows
>> } > > screen
>> } > > >> } > } > readers, but that you'll find it easier to edit
>> files on the
>> } > > local Windows
>> } > > >> } > } > machine and then transfer them up using scp or some
>> other file
>> } > > transfer
>> } > > >> } > } > protocol once you're done. that is a very
>> inefficient way to
>> } > > edit files on
>> } > > >> } > } > remote servers. The combination of software I
>> suggest lets me
>> } > > edit files
>> } > > >> } > } > with ease in their native environments on the
>> servers on which
>> } > > they belong.
>> } > > >> } > } >
>> } > > >> } > } > Hope this helps.
>> } > > >> } > } > -Brian
>> } > > >> } > } >
>> } > > >> } > } > On Aug 7, 11:59am, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS wrote:
>> } > > >> } > } > } Subject: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux
>> terminal work
>> } > > >> } > } > } Hey folks,
>> } > > >> } > } > }
>> } > > >> } > } > } I am considering a return to a technical individual
>> } > > contributor role. The
>> } > > >> } > } > } job requires a significant amount of terminal
>> work, over SSH
>> } > > to remote
>> } > > >> } > } > } linux servers.
>> } > > >> } > } > }
>> } > > >> } > } > } What OS/screen reader/ssh client combination is the
>> } > > best/easiest/most
>> } > > >> } > } > } reliable to use? I have access to JAWS, NVDA or
>> Voiceover as
>> } > > needed but I
>> } > > >> } > } > } haven't done terminal work since my blindness hit.
>> } > > >> } > } > }
>> } > > >> } > } > } Best regards,
>> } > > >> } > } > }
>> } > > >> } > } > } Ryan Boudwin
>> } > > >> } > } > } ryanboudwin at gmail.com
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>> } > > >> } > } > >-- End of excerpt from Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS
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>> files on the
>> } > > local Wind=
>> } > > >> } > } ows<br>
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>> other file
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>> } > > >> } > } files on<br>
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>> } > > >> } > } with ease in their native environments on the servers
>> on which
>> } > > they belong.=
>> } > > >> } > } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } Hope this helps.<br>
>> } > > >> } > } -Brian<br>
>> } > > >> } > } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } On Aug 7, 11:59am, Ryan Boudwin via NFBCS wrote:<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } Subject: [NFBCS] best solution for remote linux
>> terminal
>> } > > work<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } Hey folks,<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } } I am considering a return to a technical individual
>> contributor
>> } > > role. The=
>> } > > >> } > } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } } job requires a significant amount of terminal work,
>> over SSH to
>> } > > remote<br=
>> } > > >> } > } >
>> } > > >> } > } } linux servers.<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } } What OS/screen reader/ssh client combination is the
>> } > > best/easiest/most<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } reliable to use? I have access to JAWS, NVDA or
>> Voiceover as
>> } > > needed but I=
>> } > > >> } > } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } } haven't done terminal work since my blindness
>> hit.<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } } Best regards,<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } <br>
>> } > > >> } > } } Ryan Boudwin<br>
>> } > > >> } > } } <a href=3D"mailto:ryanboudwin at gmail.com"
>> } > > target=3D"_blank">ryanboudwin at gm=
>> } > > >> } > } ail.com</a><br>
>> } > > >> } > } } _______________________________________________<br>
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