[Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!!National ConventionOrlandomanyyearstocome!!!
Bill Kociaba
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Mon Jul 11 08:54:12 UTC 2011
finches I believe
Bill Kociaba
CRUISEONE
Bill at Ycruise.com
954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patricia A. Lipovsky" <plipovsky at cfl.rr.com>
To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!!National
ConventionOrlandomanyyearstocome!!!
> You know Jim, I thought I heard some very soft tweeting as I stood there,
> but the noise level increased just at that moment, and it disappeared very
> quickly. Does anyone know what kind of birds they were?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ellsworth" <jellsworth1 at tampabay.rr.com>
> To: "'NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List'" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!!National
> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>
>
>> Hi Patricia,
>>
>> If you were real close and it happened to be quiet you might have heard
>> them
>> as we did but they make some pretty soft sounds.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbf-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Patricia A. Lipovsky
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:48 PM
>> To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
>> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>>
>> I found the bird cage, but only by accident. I never did hear them.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Denise Valkema" <valkemadenise at aol.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
>> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>>
>>
>>>I could hear birds when lobby was quiet.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>>> On Jul 10, 2011 1:25 PM, Sherri <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bill, I'm with you. As a guide dog user, it was difficult to find the
>>> relief
>>>
>>> area, since my dog just wanted to go to any set of doors. I too thought
>>> the
>>>
>>> bird cage would have actual bird sounds, but it did not, so I don't see
>>> the
>>>
>>> purpose. Maybe someone can describe it to us and its visual
>>> significance.
>>> My
>>>
>>> dog found the elevators for 4 through 10 every time except once. I also
>>>
>>> navigated through the areas several times with just my cane, as my dog
>>>
>>> needed a rest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sherri
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Bill Kociaba" <williamkociaba at comcast.net>
>>>
>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 AM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National
>>>
>>> ConventionOrlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> > I don't know you at all and have no idea how long you have been
>>> blind
>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> > what you do now or what you did before. I will totally aggree
>>> with
>>> you
>>>
>>> > that the lobby area really offers very little in landmarks. I read
>>> that
>>>
>>> > descriptive article about the hotel prior to leaving and was
>>> expecting to
>>>
>>> > hear a bunch of squacking birds in that birdcage. I figured that
>>> was
>>>
>>> > going to be an obvious landmark to work from but never heard a peep
>>> from
>>>
>>> > it. Once out of the lobby area though things weren't really too
>>> bad.
>>
>>> The
>>>
>>> > lower lobby was pretty simple if you kept your ears open and the
>>>
>>> > convention area as well. I did have the advantage of a very smart
>>> dog who
>>>
>>> > knew how to find the elavators though. At least most of the
>>> time(LOL). The
>>>
>>> > fact that there were sevral sets of glass doors leading outside did
>>> make
>>>
>>> > it very hard to locate the relief area near the meeting rooms as
>>> well.
>>>
>>> > And no matter how indipendent everyone claims to be I heard plenty
>>> of
>>>
>>> > people asking, "where is...." right up to the last day. There were
>>> plenty
>>>
>>> > of hotel staff around and if you were having trouble and chose to
>>> not
>>>
>>> > ask...well then thats just being prideful and foolish. On the
>>> other
>>>
>>> > hand I really found people screaming, "escalators over here" over
>>> and
>>
>>> over
>>>
>>> > more of a distraction than a help. When things were quiet the sound
>>> of
>>>
>>> > those escalators was pretty obvious. I have been in hotels that
>>> were
>>> both
>>>
>>> > easier and more difficult to work through and always survived.If
>>> you
>>> hated
>>>
>>> > this one, don't try any of the casino propertys in Vegas or Reno
>>> that
>>
>>> are
>>>
>>> > actually designed to make it hard to find your way out! If this
>>> hotel and
>>>
>>> > its challenges keeps you away from the convention in the future
>>> that
>>> is
>>>
>>> > sad. I came in contact with sevral O and M people during the
>>> course
>>> of
>>>
>>> > the week and I am sure that if you were to make contact with one of
>>> them
>>>
>>> > that they wouldn't mind spending a bit of time with you helping you
>>> to get
>>>
>>> > a better handle on things.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > On the subject of being "well adjusted"..I thought that one had
>>> been
>>>
>>> > exhausted already but if not, being well adjusted to anything does
>>> not
>>>
>>> > mean you are always happy and glad you have that issue it means
>>> accepting
>>>
>>> > it! I heard someone use the word embrace it...I don't know how you
>>> can
>>>
>>> > embrace losing your sight but you surley can accept that it has
>>> happened
>>>
>>> > and at the moment there is nothing you or any of us can do about
>>> it...
>>>
>>> > Can we please put the well adjusted and how bad the hotel was
>>> topics
>>> to
>>>
>>> > rest. Seems they are getting beat to death.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Bill Kociaba
>>>
>>> > CRUISEONE
>>>
>>> > Bill at Ycruise.com
>>>
>>> > 954 227 7772 or Toll Free 877 227 7775
>>>
>>> > 7600 Wiles Rd, Coral Springs, FL 33067
>>>
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> > From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> > To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List"
>>> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>> > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:55 AM
>>>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>>>
>>> > Orlandomanyyearsto come!!!
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> >>I need to respond to this. YOu folksw on this group don't know
>>> me
>>
>>> very
>>>
>>> >>well. You think you do but you don't. From now on, I'm simply
>>> going to
>>>
>>> >>keep my mouth shut! I won't say anything!
>>>
>>> >> This place was extremely complex for me as an individual. I
>>> was
>>> told by
>>>
>>> >> another blind person who has been at events here this place is
>>> difficult
>>>
>>> >> to navigate. Places I see as complex take me a while to grasp.
>>> If I
>>>
>>> >> can't form a mental picture in my mind of something, the item
>>> makes no
>>>
>>> >> sense to me.
>>>
>>> >> IF you know *ONE* person who is *TOTALLY* adjusted to their
>>> blindness I"d
>>>
>>> >> certainly like to meet them. You never can be totally adjusted
>>> to
>>>
>>> >> anything 100% of the time.
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> Matt Roberts
>>>
>>> >> 386-679-1986
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 1:27 PM, "Kirk" <kvharmon54 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >>> Matt my friend, when will you start to accept your
>>> blindness
>>> and move
>>>
>>> >>> forward without complaints? I have been listening to you
>>> complain about
>>>
>>> >>> everything you are in contact with ever since you started
>>> commenting on
>>>
>>> >>> this
>>>
>>> >>> site again. I have knoown you for many years and you have
>>> always had
>>>
>>> >>> such a
>>>
>>> >>> negative attitude about most everything and it is truly not
>>> what is your
>>>
>>> >>> perception of your surroundings as much as it is you and
>>> your
>>
>>> negativity
>>>
>>> >>> about life in general! Please get counseling or something
>>> so
>>> you can
>>>
>>> >>> start
>>>
>>> >>> to move forward without such a negative attitude and
>>> perhaps
>>> your
>>>
>>> >>> comments
>>>
>>> >>> would be more enjoyable to read. I had many friends of mine
>>> that were
>>>
>>> >>> there,
>>>
>>> >>> as was I, and even the Totals with me said once they
>>> learned
>>
>>> their way
>>>
>>> >>> around they thought it was easy to do and they loved the
>>> Hotel.I have to
>>>
>>> >>> say
>>>
>>> >>> however, they all have a very positive attitude about life
>>> and have
>>>
>>> >>> accepted
>>>
>>> >>> the fact that ,YES, they are in fact totally blind and
>>> things
>>
>>> are
>>>
>>> >>> different
>>>
>>> >>> but it doesn't have to be miserable to enhjoy their lives.
>>> You need to
>>>
>>> >>> get
>>>
>>> >>> help to learn how to think positive about your life and
>>> quit
>>> complaining
>>>
>>> >>> about all that is around you. Once you embrace your
>>> blindness and it's
>>>
>>> >>> lifestyle, then my friend, I feel you will start to smile
>>> more and
>>>
>>> >>> frown a
>>>
>>> >>> lot less! Matt, Just one man's observation of you since I
>>> have known
>>>
>>> >>> you,
>>>
>>> >>> and want you to try and understand that none of us need
>>> negativity in
>>>
>>> >>> our
>>>
>>> >>> lives unnecessarily. Please try and change your attitude
>>> not
>>> just for
>>>
>>> >>> yourself, but for all that is around and in contact with
>>> you!
>>
>>> Your
>>>
>>> >>> friend in
>>>
>>> >>> the cause, Kirk Harmon
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> >>> From: "Holly" <hbeanie at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List"
>>> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:22 AM
>>>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Get Ready NFBF!!! National Convention
>>>
>>> >>> Orlandomanyyears
>>>
>>> >>> to come!!!
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> I agree , a positive attitude always helps. One may not
>>> like
>>> a situation
>>>
>>> >>> but
>>>
>>> >>> the only thing you have control over is the way you react
>>> to
>>> it.
>>>
>>> >>> Holly
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Holly
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 10:07 AM, "Denise Valkema"
>>> <valkemadenise at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> You can take a brown car right out lobby entrance for $5
>>> for
>>> everyone in
>>>
>>> >>> car
>>>
>>> >>> or ask a friend who drives to take you to Publix.
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> You can hook up with member or friend and get around
>>> together. You have
>>>
>>> >>> two
>>>
>>> >>> years to work on solutions. A positive attitude helps, too.
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> Denise
>>>
>>> >>> -- Sent from Denise's Palm Pre
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> On Jul 9, 2011 12:11 AM, Sherri
>>> <flmom2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> I thought the hotel was really ...
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> From: "Matt Roberts" <blindbiker at yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nf...
>>>
>>> >>> > On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Tara Prakash Tripathi
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >> What did you not like about this hotel?
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > I found the layout extremely confusing. I spent 1
>>> hour just trying
>>>
>>> >>> to
>>>
>>> >>> get
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > from the registration table to the elevators
>>> leading
>>
>>> to my room.
>>>
>>> >>> When
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > you're trying to figure out where you are, where
>>> you
>>
>>> want to go,
>>>
>>> >>> and
>>>
>>> >>> dodge
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > people it's difficult. I have no problem
>>> traveling,
>>
>>> but from what
>>>
>>> >>> i
>>>
>>> >>> can
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > tell there are no landmarks. A week is not enough
>>> time to learn
>>>
>>> >>> this
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > hotel. I'd need to spend a lot of time, and
>>> practice over and
>>>
>>> >>> over.
>>>
>>> >>> I'm
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > with some friends and one of them is sighted. I
>>> do
>>> let him guide
>>>
>>> >>> me,
>>>
>>> >>> but
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > I should be able to pick up routes, since we
>>> always
>>> go the same
>>>
>>> >>> way.
>>>
>>> >>> NOt
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > this hotel!
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > The food is very expensive, and there aren't any
>>> eating
>>>
>>> >>> establishments
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > nearby. If you want to not pay a lot of money for
>>> food, you need a
>>>
>>> >>> car.
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > I know Publix is across the street, but you have
>>> to
>>> get out to the
>>>
>>> >>> road.
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > With my physical disability, I would not risk
>>> trying
>>
>>> to walk that
>>>
>>> >>> far,
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > especially when no sidewalks exist.
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> > Matt Roberts blindbiker at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>> >>> >
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
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