[Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizenstocarrygunslegally

Thu Sep 12 01:37:54 UTC 2013

Kathy & Willie:

It is what it is.  You are what you are.  Contemplate it.

My comments/opinions  were subject oriented: your comments are
personally oriented.  That's your issue, not mine.

Have a great evening.

          Bob Clark

On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
> Thank you Cathy!  We as blind people have the right to protect ourselves,
> and our families.  I wonder?  If gunds can do the trick?
> Willie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kathy Roskos" <kroskos at cox.net>
> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired
> citizenstocarrygunslegally
>
>
>> Bob,
>>
>>     With all due respect, you are undoubtedly one of the rudest and most
>> arogant contributors I have experienced on this list. Perhaps you help to
>>
>> perpetuate the stereotypes of blind people as arogant and intolerant
>> people.
>>
>> P.S. I do apologize to anyone on this list that finds my posts
>> argumentative. I just find it very difficult these days to tolerate
>> bullies.
>>
>> Kathy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens
>> tocarrygunslegally
>>
>>
>>> Willie:
>>>
>>> With all due respect, that is undoubtedly one of the dumbest comments
>>> that I have ever read on this listserv and believe me, there have been
>>> several.
>>>
>>> Why would you assume that invading my residence would not be
>>> profitable for thieves?  Perhaps, you reflect many of the
>>> stereotypical attitudes that persist concerning blind people.
>>>
>>> Have a great day.
>>>
>>>          Bob Clark
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/11/13, Lady Giggy <ladygiggy at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Well Bob.
>>>> your poitis well taken, however, why would anyone want to invade your
>>>> home
>>>> or premises without former knowledge of a profitable gain?  I think that
>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>> should protect your  home, and family is admirable, but thieves only
>>>> invade
>>>>
>>>> premises when it is profitable.  Violence is not the answer.
>>>>
>>>> Willie Lucas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List" <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 1:21 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to
>>>> carrygunslegally
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Mark:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, since I don't know your position on this issue, I don't know if
>>>>> this will get you started or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a totally blind gun owner and have owned a gun for the last 10
>>>>> years.  Although I seldom carry it, I do have the right and have on
>>>>> several occasions when certain situations dictated.
>>>>>
>>>>> My primary reason for owning a gun is to protect my family as well as
>>>>> myself in case of home invasion.  I can think of nothing worse than to
>>>>> be held as a defenseless hostage while someone threatened my family.
>>>>>
>>>>> If one is responsible and is properly trained, there is absolutely no
>>>>> reason why a blind person should not own a gun for personal protection
>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally based upon your signature, one can conclude that you are a
>>>>> liberal as well as a pacifist.  That is your choice but don't impose
>>>>> your opinions on other people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great day.
>>>>>
>>>>>          Bob Clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/10/13, Mark Tardif <markspark at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Do not, and I do mean do not, get me started on this one.  I will
>>>>>> bridle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tongue so I don't start a controversy, but it's darn hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Tardif
>>>>>> Nuclear arms will not hold you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Alan Dicey
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:54 AM
>>>>>> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
>>>>>> Subject: [Nfbf-l] Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry
>>>>>> gunslegally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Iowa now allows visually impaired citizens to carry guns legally
>>>>>> By Robert Kingett, disability reporter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Kingett is a blind journalist in Chicago who covers anything
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> everything disability, including sports, human-interest stories, and
>>>>>> advocacy reports. He was ranked as top disability journalist by the
>>>>>> staffin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> august. To have Robert cover your disability event or story, please
>>>>>> visit
>>>>>> his website. www.robertkingett.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sep 8, 2013 - 6 hours ago in Politics
>>>>>> Iowa - Recently a state law was passed that would allow blind and
>>>>>> visually
>>>>>> impaired people in Iowa to carry firearms. Residents and advocacy
>>>>>> agents
>>>>>> have varying opinions on the issue.
>>>>>> No one questions the legality of the permits. State law does not
>>>>>> allow
>>>>>> sheriffs to deny an Iowan the right to carry a weapon based on
>>>>>> physical
>>>>>> ability.
>>>>>> The quandary centers squarely on public safety. Advocates for the
>>>>>> disabled
>>>>>> and Iowa law enforcement officers disagree over whether it's a good
>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> visually disabled Iowans to have weapons.
>>>>>> On one side: People such as Cedar County Sheriff Warren Wethington,
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> demonstrated for this report how blind people can be taught to shoot
>>>>>> guns.
>>>>>> And Jane Hudson, executive director of Disability Rights Iowa, who
>>>>>> says
>>>>>> blocking visually impaired people from the right to obtain weapon
>>>>>> permits
>>>>>> would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.  That federal law
>>>>>> generally prohibits different treatment based on disabilities.
>>>>>> On the other side: People such as Dubuque County Sheriff Don Vrotsos,
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> said he wouldn't issue a permit to someone who is blind. And Patrick
>>>>>> Clancy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> superintendent of the Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School, who says
>>>>>> guns
>>>>>> may be a rare exception to his philosophy that blind people can
>>>>>> participate
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fully in life.
>>>>>> Private gun ownership - even hunting - by visually impaired Iowans is
>>>>>> nothing new. But the practice of visually impaired residents legally
>>>>>> carrying firearms in public became widely possible thanks to gun
>>>>>> permit
>>>>>> changes that took effect in Iowa in 2011.
>>>>>> "It seems a little strange, but the way the law reads, we can't deny
>>>>>> them
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> permit) just based on that one thing," said Sgt. Jana Abens, a
>>>>>> spokeswoman
>>>>>> for the Polk County sheriff's office, referring to a visual
>>>>>> disability.
>>>>>> Polk County officials say they've issued weapons permits to at least
>>>>>> three
>>>>>> people who can't legally drive and were unable to read the
>>>>>> application
>>>>>> forms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or had difficulty doing so because of visual impairments.
>>>>>> And sheriffs in three other counties - Jasper, Kossuth and Delaware -
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> they have granted permits to residents who they believe have severe
>>>>>> visual
>>>>>> impairments.
>>>>>> "I'm not an expert in vision," Delaware Sheriff John LeClere said.
>>>>>> "At
>>>>>> what
>>>>>>
>>>>>> point do vision problems have a detrimental effect to fire a firearm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see nothing but a blurry mass in front of you, then I would say you
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>
>>>>>> shouldn't be shooting.
>>>>>>
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