[nfbmi-talk] Fw: web access difficult for people withdisabilitiesin Michigan
joe harcz Comcast
joeharcz at comcast.net
Sat Dec 17 01:35:08 UTC 2011
They will be the ones paying. Period and end of that story.
Prevailing parties win lawyers fees and these clowns will lose as they have
no case and are in the wrong.
Other than this I simply don't know what to say except we can all expect to
get pushed around, used, and abused until the end of time until we take the
worst of them, including Cannon to a court of law.
There is no reconciling with known bigots, scofflaws and otherwise unlawful
miscreants.
The damage done to those who are blind and otherwise disabled will continue
until the pedal is pushed to the metal and until these scofflaws are sued
back to the dark ages and beyond.
If folks don't believe that then we can wait another decade or two or three
for civil rights and justice.
I, personally am not willing to wait. I'm getting old and would like for
civil rights to occer in my lifetime.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Simmons" <MarcusSimmons at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: web access difficult for people
withdisabilitiesin Michigan
> If we take these people to court, who will be our attorney and how much
> will we all collectively have to pay?
>
> Marcus Simmons
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
> To: "Elmer Cerano MPAS" <ECERANO at mpas.org>
> Cc: "lydia Schuck MCB Comm." <laschuck at juno.com>; "MARK CODY"
> <MCODY at mpas.org>; "Richard Bernstein Esq" <rbernstein at sambernstein.com>;
> <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>; "John Scott MCB Comm." <jcscot at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:13 PM
> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: web access difficult for people with
> disabilitiesin Michigan
>
>
>> This post sent to former Michigan ADA Coordinator and current MCB
>> Director Cannon, current Michigan Protection and Advocacy Services
>> Director Cerano and past MPAS Director Bauer goes to known violations of
>> the ADA, 504 and other laws issues related to access to information. They
>> don't by the way deal only with the DHS web site in implication and in my
>> documentation but with basics and fundamentals of effective
>> communications.
>>
>> But this e-mail alone goes to the fact that all these officials knew or
>> should have known about obligations related to effective communications.
>>
>> Now, I have of this date have not recieved dozens if not hundreds of
>> requested documents via simple e-mail even after requests for same. All
>> have been cc'd on these issues
>>
>> What more needs to be proven? There isn't one entity including the
>> Michigan Commission for the Blind that complies with the effective
>> communications requirements of the ADA let alone those of 504.
>>
>> This is an ongoing systemwide issue and won't be solved for the blind and
>> other PWD until the entire state of Michigan and its subordinent bodies
>> are sued.
>>
>> Why they weren't under the previous Administration with all the clear cut
>> conflicts of interests is self evident to me and highly politically
>> motivated.
>>
>> I have the contributions that are public between various parties. I know
>> Mark Brewer is on the Board of Directors of MPAS. I know that MPAS is
>> loath to sue one of its own but I also have all the inter connections and
>> all the campaign contributions in these regards to including those made
>> to Ms. Bauer.
>>
>> Regardless suits are supposed to be made on the basis of facts and the
>> law and not over political connections.
>>
>> It is documented that MCB is in violation multiple times over the access
>> to information item, and even to program access. In fact so is the entire
>> state if one only looks at the DTMB surveys I've supplied everyone.
>>
>> Bottom line it is time, long since time to sue these state actors for
>> their documented violations over time against all people with
>> disabilities, but most especially those who are blind for chronic,
>> pernicious and malicious violations of all of our civil rights and that
>> ladies and gentlemen includes the violations of my rights which have not
>> now or have never been remedied by these scofflaws.
>>
>> The exercise of civil rights should be non-partisan but clearly it has
>> not been so as Democrats have been left off the hook as well as
>> Republicans during the Engler Administration.
>>
>> Now we've got a relatively new Republican Administration.
>>
>> What the heck has changed?
>>
>> Nothing at all.
>>
>> If folks wish to get money for their operations I again suggest they sue
>> the state big time and collect the llawyer's fees due any plaintiff's
>> counsel that prevails in such obvious and "slam dunk" ADA/504 cases.
>>
>> You've got evidence and other documentation here alone of a pattern and
>> practice of abuse.
>>
>> You've had more supplied over now close to a decade by yours trullly.
>>
>> Does a blind lay person have to hold the hand of the entire state
>> apparatus at every point and in time to get justice for himself and our
>> class while you all suck down federal bucks and live relatively high on
>> the hog compared to again the average blind person or others with
>> disabilities?
>>
>> Are we running a system of the rulle of law or that of the capricious and
>> discriminatory rulle of man here in this once great state of Michigan?
>>
>> Elmer Cerano you said words to the effect along with other staff of NMPAS
>> how could you do more to outreach to clients of MCB? Well we can't get
>> phone calls back from you or even on your own web site directory
>> information.
>>
>> Can't you all figure this out? We don't have access to the instruments of
>> government in all its venues at the first instance and that includes in
>> the adjudicative and even quasi-adjudicative process.
>>
>> Oh, yes and why did the belatedly brave Duncan Wyeth send this message to
>> me? Oh he was taking early retirement.
>>
>> And he told me over the phone he couldn't do a thing anymore from the
>> inside of state government because it was frankly and in a word
>> "non-responsive".
>>
>>
>> Aagain my word given the passage of time, or rather words, is: "This is
>> nothing but systemic, malicious, and pernicious mass discrimination."
>>
>> Access is and of itself is an established civil right. It is far past
>> time for enforcement.
>>
>> Joe Harcz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Wyeth, Duncan (DELEG)
>> To: joe harcz Comcast
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:57 PM
>> Subject: FW: web access difficult for people with disabilities in
>> Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Duncan O. Wyeth
>>
>> Executive Director
>>
>> Department of Energy, Labor and Economic Growth
>>
>> Michigan Commission on Disability Concerns
>>
>> Victor Center
>>
>> 201 N. Washington Square, Suite 150
>>
>> Lansing, Michigan 48913
>>
>> TEL: 517 335-0103
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: Elizabeth W. Bauer [mailto:ebauer7400 at aol.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:19 AM
>> To: ECERANO at mpas.org; Cannon, Patrick (DELEG); Collins, Vendella; Wyeth,
>> Duncan (DELEG)
>> Cc: MCODY at mpas.org
>> Subject: Re: web access difficult for people with disabilities in
>> Michigan
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all. I find the entire state website difficult to navigate
>> myself. When I saw this report, I thought perhaps a win for PWD would
>> benefit us all. Most of the ADA accommodations do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> Elizabeth W. Bauer, Member
>> Michigan State Board of Education
>> 1355 Lake Park Drive
>> Birmingham, MI 48009-1089
>> 248 540 4656
>> www.michigan.gov/sbe
>>
>> "The secret of education is respecting the pupil."
>> Ralph Waldo Emerson
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ELMER CERANO <ECERANO at mpas.org>
>> To: Elizabeth Bauer <ebauer7400 at aol.com>; cannonp at michigan.gov;
>> collinsve at michigan.gov; wyethd2 at michigan.gov
>> Cc: MARK CODY <MCODY at mpas.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Sep 8, 2010 10:18 am
>> Subject: Re: web access difficult for people with disabilities in
>> Michigan
>>
>> we have been meeting with UCP/Michigan, Mich Disability Rights Network
>> and Jackie Doig re: DHS ADA compliance. Their I.T. access is also a
>> focus. Norm's group will look closer at the ADA compliance of the local
>> DHS offices's IT access. >>> "Elizabeth W. Bauer" <ebauer7400 at aol.com>
>> 9/6/2010 7:09 AM >>> Hi Pat, Duncan, Vendella, Elmer, Are any of the
>> advocacy groups raising this issue with state officials? It seems
>> something that would benefit from a coordinated call for justice. What
>> are the incoming officials thinking about it, planning to do? Liz From
>> AAPD (9.1.10)Report Finds Five State Benefits' Websites Inaccessible to
>> People with Disabilitiesby Jenifer Simpson, AAPD Senior Director of
>> Government Affairs A June 22, 2010 report finds that state public
>> benefits agencies are relying more on their websites as a means of
>> providing information to the public, and as a means for applicants to
>> secure Medicaid, food stamps, and cash assistance. However, the report,
>> by the National Center for Law and Economic Justice (NCLEJ) at
>> http://www.nclej.org/ , shows that at least five states * California,
>> Florida, Michigan, New York and Texas * have agency websites with
>> problems that make them inaccessible to people with disabilities who are
>> users of assistive technology, and many websites are difficult for anyone
>> to navigate. ... Elizabeth W. Bauer, Member Michigan State Board
>> of Education 1355 Lake Park Drive Birmingham, MI 48009-1089 248 540 4656
>> www.michigan.gov/sbe "The secret of education is respecting the pupil."
>> Ralph Waldo Emerson
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