[nfbmi-talk] Fw: the past hasn't gone anywhere
joe harcz Comcast
joeharcz at comcast.net
Sat Jul 30 14:30:28 UTC 2011
What are you talking about?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cheryl Wade" <wadecher at msu.edu>
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Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: the past hasn't gone anywhere
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From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.netIwish>
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:50 AM
To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Fw: the past hasn't gone anywhere
> I wish some of these accusations could be shared off list. I don't read
> most of these messages, but some of the racist comments are really
> inappropriate.
Cheryl Wade
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: joe harcz Comcast
> To: Donna Rose
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 1:47 AM
> Subject: Re: the past hasn't gone anywhere
>
>
> Again you start out with an ad honimum attack without foundation.
>
> What a crock and this will be shared widely along with my other response.
>
> You know of your perfidy and don't act the victim ok? I memean you attack
> the likes of me without merit and without foundation and yet try to elicit
> sympathy for your circumstances! What a transparent outrage even if
> true!!!
>
> The issue is not your or my own personal circumstances, but rather that of
> those who face the continued slings and arrows of daily discrimination.
>
> This was something that I thought long ago you and I agreed upon.
>
> But, that isn't true for you would rather kiss up no matter what to the
> powers that be and that is most transparent. And you'd rather again attack
> me in and with ad honinum attacks as you do as your last recourse.
>
> Great social work there by the way even if you are, were or ever will be
> correct in your analysis of me or anyone else.
>
> Man I hope sincerely the much vaunted taxpayer, by you of course, here
> isn't reading your bovine stuff.
>
> For I'm certain it would make him or her not wish to pay taxes and would
> make him or her object, wrongfully in my opinion, to the use of taxpayer's
> funds for social services in general and social work services in specific.
>
> Now, again I'm not unsympathetic at all, and on the contrary am most
> sympathetic to your stated physical condition.
>
> Man, that again is one thing I fight for and have indeed been arrested for
> fighting for.
>
> Yet, again you, Donna while throwing around terms like "victim" at me who
> has fought and continues to fight for the likes of you and your rights to
> universal and oter healthcare continues in this very message to on the one
> hand claim "pity" and on the other hand attack the likes of me. some call
> this "passive-agressive" behavior. I call it: "Pure bovine scatology."
>
> My empathy and, indeed my sympathy is written in police ledgers and in the
> activities of direct action.
>
> My sympathy is expressed in the fact that I recently denoted the sad
> demise of long time comrades with multiple disabilities who have been
> mentors of mine in direct actions in ADAPT and whom have recently died.
>
> One is my freind "Buddy" the other is "Miss Dorothy".
>
> Both are dead regardless and both live in my heart. Both I feel their
> wheelchairs guiding me through various actions from D.C. to Philly.
>
> I don't feel on bit sorry for them, or me, or you Donna, for that matter.
>
> What I feel for my friends is love though. And what I feel for you is love
> too. It is called abstractly by some though, altruism or self-giving.
> Sorry that you don't know the concept.
>
> Buddy and Miss Dorothy though were betterat it than I am. I'm a flawed
> vessel. but, they were perfect though society thought them flawed.
>
> Regardless don't even imply for one moment that you know even one thing
> about the civil rights of people with disabilities and don't even be so
> arrogent, given your history to even imply you know about this sort of
> "brotherly love".
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donna Rose
> To: joe harcz Comcast
> Cc: vincent.cheverine at ed.gov ; MARK CODY ; Lynnae Ruttledge RSA
> Commissioner ; Craig McManus RSA ; Ussery, Karla ; Elmer Cerano MPAS ; TOM
> MASSEAU MPAS ; John Scott ; Lydia Schuck ; 'Larry Posont' ; Richard Clay
> Advocates f/t Blind ; Richard Bernstein Esq ; Mark Finnegan ; Peter Berg ;
> Patrick Cannon ; Luzenski, Sue (DLEG) ; Jo Ann Pilarski ; Gordon Gund,
> Chairman and Co-Founder, Foundation Fighting Blindness ; Steve Arwood LARA
> Dep ; Joe Sibley ; michael geno ; Charis Austin ; nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: the past hasn't gone anywhere
>
>
> Settle down Joe,
>
> How ridiculous! Have you been drinking?
>
> Not that it is your business, but let me clear this up right now. I did
> not buy my homes with money from civil rights law suits. I earned the
> money for both of my homes. I did not get any money for my U of M civil
> rights complaint, but rather settled for services that are still helping
> students today. The small amount I received for the two fair housing
> complaints was pocket change to reimburse me for expenses related to being
> denied housing. There wasn't enough money to use it for a down payment
> for a home or anything else of any consequence. Since then people with
> service animals have been living at both properties and the staff became
> educated about fair housing laws so they wouldn't discriminate against
> others again.
>
> I am not financially successful due to civil rights lawsuits, but rather
> due to extremely hard work while living with blindness and kidney failure.
> As a matter of fact I am currently on dialysis and dying while waiting for
> a transplant, yet still manage to go to work. Geez! What a crazy
> conclusion only you could come up with. lol
>
> I can't just sit here and watch you lambaste people from your computer
> without trying to point out to you this is the wrong method of advocacy.
> What kind of human being would I be?
>
> You sir, besides being extremely angry, appear to be a racist.
>
> This is the last email I will be sending you on this topic. Thanks again
> for the laughs. You should take your act on the road so you can share it
> with everybody!
>
>
>
> Go Bravely,
> Donna Rose, LMSW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: joe harcz Comcast
> To: Donna Rose
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: the past hasn't gone anywhere
>
>
> We now know exactly where you come from you Fort Injun. You get yours
> and then you ad honinum attack anyone who fights for the rights of others
> over time without one thin dime of compensation, or expectation of
> compensation such as myself.
>
> I fight for the civil rights of all. I don't fight for one thing for
> myself. Not one thing.
>
> And for a fact madame I've got myself my owned damned jobs and my own
> damned income independent of you or MCB.
>
> Whereas your "settlements" benefitted only you personally like your own
> home I fight for the class of all persons with disabilities and in
> particular for the rights of all who are blind.
>
> I don't sell out to the powers that be, or to mass perpretrators at the
> public trough who are not aaccountable or transparent in their
> governmental activities.
>
> I ask only the fundamentals of any journalist and that is: "Who, what,
> when, where, why and how."
>
> And I refuse to be a victim of anyone including the state apparatchek
> unlike you.
>
> I refuse to kow tow to any perveyors of mass discrimination, or mass
> violators of civil or constitutional rights.
>
> You, in spite of your ACB credentials which nominally fights for these
> things like say in the Treasury or SSA suit show your true personal colors
> here whith your personal, and again ad hominum attack upon me here.
>
> Yes, you are a true "Fort Injun". You are a true sell out. And that is
> very clear.
>
> BTW there are several civil rights complaints and indeed suits going on
> here and I won't lose. never have and never will. that is because, unlike
> you I work again for others and for subsequent generations and I don't
> give up, and I don't cave in and I don't in most hypocritical fashion cave
> when I get this or that for myself.
>
> Joe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donna Rose
> To: joe harcz Comcast ; nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: vincent.cheverine at ed.gov ; MARK CODY ; Lynnae Ruttledge RSA
> Commissioner ; Craig McManus RSA ; Ussery, Karla ; Elmer Cerano MPAS ; TOM
> MASSEAU MPAS ; John Scott MCB Comm. ; lydia Schuck MCB Comm. ; Larry
> Posont MCB Comm. ; Richard Clay Advocates f/t Blind ; Richard Bernstein
> Esq ; Mark Finnegan ; Peter Berg ; Patrick Cannon MCB Dir. ; Sue Luzenski
> MCB Admin Ass. ; Jo Anne Pilarski MCB, Chair ; Steve Arwood LARA Dep ; Joe
> Sibley MCBVI Pres. ; Michael Geno MCBVI ; Charis Austin
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:54 PM
> Subject: Re: the past hasn't gone anywhere
>
>
> Joe H.,
>
> As a tax payer, I really think you should have to pay a reasonable
> amount for the gathering of documents and videos passed the first couple
> of requests or so. For goodness sakes you are asking them for stuff every
> five minutes and I don't want to have to keep paying the workers for these
> distractions. If you hadn't created such resistance among these
> individuals they might be more cooperative.
>
> They are getting paid to run the government and I am certain they
> don't mind a couple of reasonable requests for documents, but when you
> constantly hound them they are taken away from work. Maybe you don't
> remember the demands of work? Are you angry with the Commission because
> they didn't help you find a job? I am certain they could help you with
> that, but even that is your ultimate responsibility once you have been
> trained.
>
> Joe this constant wining is making people who are blind look like
> helpless cry babies. You need to get on with your life and stop taking
> the stance of a victim. Why are you allowing these governmental
> shortcomings to ruin the one shot you will get to grab opportunity and
> have a happy life? People who are blind or visually impaired are capable
> human-beings, just like any other citizen. The fact we are blind doesn't
> have to be the issue you are making it. You have the intelligence and
> ability to be something other than a bother to everyone else. Throughout
> my entire work life I have had to make my own way in a sighted world which
> has always been less than perfect, regardless of the laws. This has not
> hurt me in the least. Actually it has improved my problem solving skills
> immensely. It can be frustrating sometimes, but doable.
>
> Government will never provide everything you want or need in life,
> even at its best. People who are blind or visually impaired all over this
> country are making their own way everyday, with or without the ADA
> regulations. You will live a sad dreary life if you wait for anyone else
> to rescue you from this noncompliance hell you apparently have put
> yourself into.
>
> Anyone being served through the Michigan Commission for the Blind can
> walk away at any time. The services they offer aren't mandatory. They
> aren't even required. In America we have the freedom to move anywhere we
> want and seek help from any service we choose. In 1975 I took $300 and
> moved to Little Rock, AR, where I learned to appreciate the services in
> Michigan and came back five years later.
>
> It is really amusing to me how many people who the Commission spent a
> lot of money helping, have the most complaints and they never went to work
> after training. This is the real issue and why some believe
> rehabilitation fails for people with disabilities. If you had a job you
> wouldn't have all of this time to complain and you would be spending your
> extra money enjoying your existence. Maybe it is time for you to consider
> trying it somewhere else for a while. Short of this, just file a civil
> rights complaint and be done with it. Are you afraid of losing?
>
> Joe, don't continue to allow others to dictate your happiness.
> Everyone runs out of time faster than they realize. You are no exception.
>
>
> Go Bravely,
> Donna Rose, LMSW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: joe harcz Comcast
> To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: vincent.cheverine at ed.gov ; MARK CODY ; Lynnae Ruttledge RSA
> Commissioner ; Craig McManus RSA ; Ussery, Karla ; Elmer Cerano MPAS ; TOM
> MASSEAU MPAS ; John Scott MCB Comm. ; lydia Schuck MCB Comm. ; Larry
> Posont MCB Comm. ; Richard Clay Advocates f/t Blind ; Richard Bernstein
> Esq ; Mark Finnegan ; Peter Berg ; Patrick Cannon MCB Dir. ; Sue Luzenski
> MCB Admin Ass. ; Jo Anne Pilarski MCB, Chair ; Steve Arwood LARA Dep ; Joe
> Sibley MCBVI Pres. ; Donna Rose MCBVI ; Michael Geno MCBVI ; Charis Austin
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 5:47 PM
> Subject: the past hasn't gone anywhere
>
>
> In fact to this very day, July 29, 2011 all findings and all
> corrective actions relative to this RSA monitoring report coverring four
> fiscal years is not forthcoming to members of the MCB Board, members of
> the public, RSA itself, or anyone and constitutes gross and willfull
> violations of the effective communications requirements of the ADA,
> Section 5904 and even common sense. It is hardly "timely" in accordence
> with tyler v. Manhattan given the passage of time.
>
> Where is government accountability of this federally funded program
> and, of course with the corrollary civil rights responsabilities to
> deliver to members of the public with disabilities information in
> accessible format and a timely manner?
>
> Mr. Cannon in his conversation with me over the telephone today
> again asked me what information he or this agency hasn't deliverred to me
> in a timely and accessible manner. Well they didn't give me or others
> information in the public domain relative to the RSA monitoring then and
> they still haven't now in full and in toto.
>
> How much do I have to prove about the malicious and deliberate
> violations over time of this scofflaw federally funded agency and the
> gross and malicious violations of Patrick D. Cannon in these regards.
>
> Oh, by the way the following segment after my signature line was my
> personal transcript in part done at extreme from the audio that I had to
> get by hook and by crook of that meeting at issue.
>
> Should I charge the State of Michigan, MCB and LARA the untolds
> thousands of dollars of unpaid labor for doing their job like one Melvin
> Farmer tryies to do with casual guesstimates about his spurrious FOIA
> requests?
>
> Say, I want the $24.0o0 per hour that all these state scofflaws try
> to charge me for getting information that is ddue the public and myself
> upon rrequest.
>
> It is far past time for federal enforcement agencies and the likes
> of Michigan Protection and Advocacy Services, Inc. another recipient of
> federal funds to enforce the ADA and Section 504 for not only myself, but
> for the entire class of people who are legally blind in this State and in
> these regards.
>
> This is a part of several ongoing complaints and documentation of
> same.
>
> Denote the e-mail and the date and the information after my
> signature line here:
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>
> Attachment:
> Note to Interested Parties at RSA, June
>
> 23, 2010
>
> These are a part of my transcripts from the Second Open Session of
> the Michigan Commission for the Blind May 3, 2010 meeting. They are
> starting with a public comment and then Commissioners respond they have
> none of the data and information required by the Rehabilitation Act for
> such a Commission in the implementing regulations. So it is clear that not
> only are consumers, stakeholders and others denied this information but
> even the members of the Michigan Commission for the Blind don’t have it.
>
>
>
> Again that is in violation of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973
> implementing regulations!
>
>
>
> This is simply incredible on top of more incredible.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Paul Joseph Harcz, Jr.
>
>
>
> (Attached segment of transcript (COM mentors are MCB Commissioners
> and Director of MCB Patrick Cannon except for Joe Sonntag who was making
> the public comment):
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Sonntag:
>
>
>
> Oh, yes Joe Sonntag (here) and I just wanted to say that in
> reference to the little discussion regarding the monitoring mission, or
> the visit from RSA. There has been attempts recently on the part of a few
> blind consumers who are attempting to get access to the findings of that
> report and (there are) some suspicions.
>
>
>
> I’m personally not alleging anything. I can only say to you here
> today that it’s my hope that the Director and commission board will do
> what it can within reason to see to it that that information becomes a
> matter of public record where it belongs of course. And that consumers and
> other interested individuals get easy access to it.
>
>
>
> It seems like it has been a long time in coming. And the only thing
> we know right now is that we’re being told that none of the details are
> available to us common folk because RSA asks that there be no release of
> the information until the final report has been prepared.
>
>
>
> ..To me that makes sense but it may not to others …
>
>
>
> One of the strongest cases I’ve heard allegations that the
> Commission for the Blind is keeping state secrets in the manner of the old
> Soviet Union.
>
>
>
> It’s not my position, but it’s out there and I think you need to be
> aware of it. And I hope (couldn’t hear all) and I hope a change is made
> on that front very soon.”
>
>
>
> Pilarski:
>
>
>
> “Uh, I I would respond that we don’t have it yet. Right?”
>
> (Several commissioners hard to hear which ones…)
>
>
>
> “I haven’t seen it…I’ve asked…And it’s not here…some giggles…”
>
>
>
> Michael Geno:
>
> “It’s not available to me. I haven’t seen it. (But, it was referred
> to in this meeting.”
>
> Cannon:
>
>
>
> “No that was the draft report..”
>
>
>
> Geno:
>
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>
> (I think Sonntag:
>
>
>
> “Yea that’s what we’re talking about.”
>
>
>
> Cannon:
>
>
>
> “And when the report is release by RSA we will distribute it
> broadly. We will post it on our web site. And we will give it to anyone
> who asks for it in the media of their choice.”
>
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