[nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal

Thu Nov 10 13:50:08 UTC 2011

I think many of us have heard about the Miller case where a blind Philly man 
literally kicked his Leader Dog to death.The case created quite a stir, and 
rightfully so.

To Leader Dog's credit they put in a number of reforms.

This said, and my point is: As much as an advocate I am for the rights of 
all Service dog users, wwe all have an interest in rooting out bad apples 
too. Clearly the Miller case was beyond the pale and he also rightfully 
received jail time for his notorious, sick and abusive behavior.

Peace with Justice,

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal

> Bob, it was Seeing Eye and they probably weren't.  The dog is dead now and 
> the store owner may not have reported him anyway for fear of getting sued 
> or something.  I heard about another case in town wher the owner was 
> clearly abusing his dog.  They reported him to the Humane Society and they 
> refused to touch it!  I enformed the people to get a look at the dogs tag 
> and get the schools number off from it and call.  Don't know what happened 
> because I don't know that guy!  Only reason I know is that I was waiting 
> for friends to have lunch with and I was petting Hollys head and they 
> asked why I was doing that!  They really didn't know that we could do that 
> and having observed that dude I could see why!  And no, the dog owner abov 
> is not typical of what I've seen from Seeing Eye!  Its just a case of what 
> I consider bad ownership of a dog be it pet or service animal!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Rehahn And Martin" <rehahnanimallover at att.net>
> To: <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal
>
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>>I totally agree with you! I believe the school from which this individual 
>>got his dog, should be notified and they should do an investigation and 
>>warn this guy that if he doesn't take responsibility for proper handling 
>>of his dog, that they will have to remove the dog from his posesstion. Its 
>>people like him that give the rest of us guide dog users a bad name.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Thursday, Nov 10, 2011 08:02:54 AM
>> Subject: [nfbmi-talk] Service Dog Removal
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that there only a few conditions where a store owner can 
>>> legally ask a dog team to leave the location.  None of these did I see 
>>> at State Convention.  I have seen the first from someone I knew though. 
>>> That is the dog relieving itself in the store.  I have seen many folks 
>>> who seem too busy to relieve there dogs and take them into a business 
>>> and wonder why they left a present or two.  The one guy in question I 
>>> knew was guilty of not relieving his dog often enough and when he 
>>> relieved himself in the store, he refused to accknowledge that his dog 
>>> did it.  He argued with the manager and his wife cleaned it up. 
>>> Accidents do happen but if the owner refuses to take responsibility well 
>>> they should be asked to leave.  Also, if the dog is obviously not under 
>>> control.  Excessive barking, putting there noses into displays, 
>>> snatching things off of shelves and wandering around by themselves come 
>>> to mind.  Pretty much the same reasons I would remove my kids from a 
>>> business as well.  My dog has tried to sniff those loaves of bread at 
>>> Krogers they put nice and low by the counter.  I always correct her and 
>>> divert her attention when she does that.  I would be worried she might 
>>> sneak a bite while I was buying something so she doesn't even get to 
>>> think about it!  Finally, some owners don't remember that there dog 
>>> needs to be bathed periodically. The same person who allowed his dog to 
>>> dump in the store usually forgot to do this and I could tell they were 
>>> coming by the strong dog odor that preceeded them!  In none of the cases 
>>> I have looked at in the last year, has any of these reasons been cited 
>>> for removing dogs from they're businesses!  The last, that guy in Kent 
>>> County, was only complaining about dog hair.  Well, people sometimes 
>>> shed hair as well and they don't get banned from places!  Sometimes 
>>> people don't bathe iether and are allowed to come in!  It amazes me on 
>>> how lax businesses are on that subject!  I've sat near some pretty ripe 
>>> individualss who would have put any dog to shame!  I have also seem 
>>> folks get loud and obnoxious!  Kids and parents screamming and dirty 
>>> diapers nice and ripe!  And those folks get to stay!  I have only seen 2 
>>> instances where I would have kicked out a dog team.  The first, I have 
>>> already described.  The second was the same guy.  Whenever he took his 
>>> dog into a pet store his dog became uncontrollable!  The more his dog 
>>> misbehaved, the more the guy cussed and hollered!  Pretty soon, it 
>>> always became a great big sceen!  I have had stores tell me that they 
>>> would never ask a service dog team to leave.  I usually inform them that 
>>> they do have the right under certain circumstances such as those abov. 
>>> My point in metioning this is that again, none of the cases I've seen 
>>> recently meet the criteria here and of course the security guard, the 
>>> law office owner and the restraunt manager had no cause to remove the 
>>> dogs and owners!
>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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