[nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user

Thu Sep 22 12:26:24 UTC 2011

Of course Joe, that's really my point.  There are so many clues to what the 
dog is for and what is going on to quote a line out of Stephen Kings "Black 
House".  "Even a blind man can see it".  This supposed security guard sure 
must be ignorant!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user


> Yes, it is. In fact at one time we had "ugly laws" against folks with 
> disabilities right here in America.
>
> I understand your point Larry, but that is something advocates fought 
> against years ago.
>
> Again if facts are as they were presented in this news story then the book 
> should indeed be thrown at this joker who abused and assaulted a person 
> under the color of law.
>
> It actually makes his crime worse in my opinion for it makes folks 
> disrespect or worry about the notion of lawfulness and certainly 
> denigrates legal authority.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>
>
>> Maybe her dog was ugly or something!  No, that's discrimination!!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "joe harcz Comcast" <joeharcz at comcast.net>
>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>
>>
>>> And here is the ultimate point: No one including a petty rent a cop or 
>>> even an established police officer has the right to engage in assault 
>>> and battery of anyone outside the use of lawful restraint against a 
>>> perpetrator of a crime.
>>>
>>> This lady whether she showed an ID or not was not engaging in a crime by 
>>> any measure. And the resulting assault and battery upon her person was 
>>> an abuse of power pure and simple.
>>>
>>> Let me put it into a non-blind context.
>>>
>>> A police officer might rightfully pull over a person for a traffic 
>>> violation and might rightfully ask for ID (although the ADA requires no 
>>> ID whether we like it or not, but another issue for a service dog, 
>>> etc.)...anyways a police officer or a security gard hired by SSA for 
>>> crying out loud  doesn't have the right to assault and batter any 
>>> individual any more than you or I can do so.
>>>
>>> Anyone in my opinion should be insulted and infuriated at the abuse of 
>>> power by nominal police powers in this instance if all things are as 
>>> presented.
>>>
>>> Not only did this ex-officio officer of the law violate allegedly the 
>>> right of this person to access the confines of the Social Security 
>>> Administration...her right to access the governmental services and 
>>> programs of the United States Government...aka the Social Security 
>>> Adminuistration...But he actually in alledged fashion commited not only 
>>> civil violations of law but actual criminal violations of law.
>>>
>>> No one has the right let alone a person acting under so-called color of 
>>> law -- Original Message -----  the right to assault and batter anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>> THAT IS THE ULTIMATE BOTTOM LINE. I use upper casehere for a reason and 
>>> to emphasize that just because one where's a badge he or she may not 
>>> violate vcivil rights or act in a criminal capacity.
>>>
>>> would I have the right to throw  out your shoulder because you didn't 
>>> show me this or that ID when it wasn't required under law in the first 
>>> place? And because I had some plastic badge nominally giving me bully 
>>> powers over you? No, I sure as heck wouldn't have such a right. Even 
>>> under the most libertarian constructs I don't have the right to assault 
>>> and batter you Larry or anyone else. does someone given a badge by the 
>>> Feds get such a right? I don't think so. Or not at least in a 
>>> democratic-republic where we are supposed to be a government of law and 
>>> not of perfidious men.
>>>
>>> Should an agent of the state garnering federal and taxpayer funds be 
>>> granted a pass? Hell no! If these facts are as they are this is an abuse 
>>> of police powers that is despicable in a democratic-republic by any 
>>> measure.
>>>
>>> As in all of these cases I'm appalled at the second guessing of the 
>>> victim of state sanctioned abuses of power, priveledge and civil rights.
>>>
>>> This is akin in my mind to the often abused issue of the vicitims of sex 
>>> crimes in that the victim of rape for example are often put on trial.
>>>
>>> Now, again I only go by news accounts here and I wish for a true 
>>> proceeding to take place with equal protection and due process of law 
>>> for all involved. But, if the thing whent donw as portrayed then why 
>>> should this state actor acting under color of law be given a pass for 
>>> assault and battery and indeed why isn't he up on charges for civil 
>>> rights violations and for 'violations of hate crime legislation>?
>>>
>>> Listen I have thegreatest respect for law enforcement officers and for 
>>> quasi-law enforcement oficers in general. They do a tough job. But 
>>> theyare not and cannot be beyond the reach of the law itself or the law 
>>> breaksdown.
>>>
>>> Bad apples must be weeded out in the legal system and in fact in the VR 
>>> system or the isn't anything left to defend but perfidy, corruption and 
>>> chaos.
>>>
>>> When ccorrection agents in this state raped for decades women in prision 
>>> resulting in a $100 million plus settlement against the state what did 
>>> that say about the rule of law?
>>>
>>> We taxpayers are still paying for this garbage to this day including 
>>> those who are blind with denigration of services.
>>>
>>> I'm sick of the public criminals being left off the hook and even 
>>> continuing in many instances with their high priced crimes against us.
>>>
>>> And I'm even more sick and saddened and outraged at the fact that some 
>>> in our community point out the this that or the other thing or ommission 
>>> of a blind or disabled person in that he or she didn't dot an I or cross 
>>> a T while being abused outright. I'm not aiming this at you Larry as 
>>> you'll likely know. And you're a tough guy and right with the world.
>>>
>>> But, darnit I'm ticked that whenever these things get exposed the first 
>>> place some look are at the victims and not the victimizers.
>>>
>>> Hope you understand I'm using this as a launcing point about principles 
>>> Larry and not at all aimed at you per se.
>>>
>>> Peace only Comes with Justice,
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>>
>>>
>>>>I agree to a point.  I always keep my ID with me and also she has the 
>>>>school tag on her.  But if you have a dog in harness and someone 
>>>>observes you for a minute or so, they can clearly see what the dog is 
>>>>there for!
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Bob Mates" <bluesbob at att.net>
>>>> To: "NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List" <nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nfbmi-talk] outragious assault on gude dog user
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That was a terrible incident, but it underscores the importance of 
>>>>> always having your school ID on you.  I once had an incident, in 
>>>>> Newark, New Jersey, which threatened to get ugly.  However, when I 
>>>>> showed the guy my ID, with Max's picture on it, he changed his tune 
>>>>> completely. Chances are, you'll never get asked to show your ID. 
>>>>> However, on the off chance that you are asked, it's good to have it 
>>>>> handy.  I hope that security guard gets fired.  He's not only a 
>>>>> lawbreaker; he's also a liar, for saying he's a federal employee. 
>>>>> Blessings, Bob
>>>>>
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