[Ag-eq] sheep and dogs

Tue Apr 16 12:15:04 UTC 2013

Jewel:

The trainer did use an electric shock collar.  Monty is rather head strong and
she had to turn it up quite high before he took notice.  First she used it when
ever he tried to jump the fence and after 3 tries of jumping and shocking Monty
decided that it wasn't a good idea.  Then we went into the paddock with the
goats and Monty showed no interest.  Oliver, the sheep is stalled right now
while he heals.  When Oliver is fully recovered the trainer will come back and
if Monty acts interested at all, he will recieve some shock therapy!

Monty had been getting out of the dog yard by digging under, so I put an
electric wire around the bottom of the fence.  Then he started jumping out, one
side is lower than the other 3 sides.  Now I will run a second wire around the
top of the fence.  I hope my charger is strong enough to power that much wire.

I've also thought about using a barrier fence.  It works by burrying a wire and
then the dog wears a collar, that will deliver an electric shock if the wire is
crosse.  Flags are placed along the wire so the dog can easily see his
boundries.  I'm not sure how much of a jolt these fences have, so it might not
work for Monty.  The trainer says that he is one of the less sensetive GSD that
she's seen.  Her shock collar had settings between 1 and 100 and she had to use
80 before he took notice.

I'm like you and if there is one more serious attack Monty will be a dead dog.
I'm willing to give him another chance; he was a rescue and I don't know a lot
about his history.  I'm trying to exercise him more and practice more
obedience.  The trainer thinks that this can be corrected.  She says that Monty
is just stubborn and needs more direction.  I know that I need to work with him
more and am willing to invest the time.

A couple of my friends seem to think that I'm terrible for using the shock
collar, but they would also think I'm terrible if I have to put him down. 
People have suggested that I find him another home, but I think he would be
hard to place.  He is an escape artist, he has seperation anxiety and cannot be
trusted with live stock.  I'm not the kind of person that passes my problem dog
on to some one else.

 Monty isn't all bad, he has excellant house manners and is good with cats. 
He's also good with other dogs and likes to ride in the car.

Does anyone have advice on how to work with the seperation anxiety?

Monty is going to be an on going project.

Nella

Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:

> Nella!  the aversion training as delivered by an electric shock collar is, in
> my opinion, the only
> way of changing the outlook of a dog that has worrying on his mind.
> I had a  large dog, a cross mastiff/German Shepherd that attacked my calves
> and the one that he
> targetted had to be destroyed as his injuries were so horrific.
> My immediate reaction was to have the vet put the dog down when he came to do
> the same for Buddy's
> victim, but I decided to give him a second chance, but if he blotted his
> copybook again, it was
> finnis for him.
> I did contact a rehabilitation trainer who had reeducated an Akita with the
> collar.  The Akita who
> had taken to harrassing cattle is a much tougher dog than Buddy, and after a
> few lessons with the
> collar in the hands of an expert his mind was changed about how much fun it
> was to rip cattle up and
> he got to the point where he wouldn't go within koowee of them.
> I explained the situation to Gary and he said that, judging from what I had
> said, Buddy wasn't a
> hopeless case by any means.
> The long and the short of it is that Gary never turned up and Buddy paid for
> it with his life when,
> after several weeks of showing no furter interest in the calves, he broke
> into their paddock and
> ripped them up badly, but this time, although there injuries were serious,
> they were skin deep
> slashes, and were not fatal.
> When I had the vet stitch the calves back together next day, she used 3
> metres of suture thread and
> the whole job took an hour and a half.
> People:  townies of course:  asked whyI didn't merely rehome the dog?  a very
> irresponsible question
> I thought, but then as livestock handlers we know the damage that a dog out
> for blood can do, and I
> was not going to put any other animal at risk.
> At that point, it was only the cattle that he had attacked,but if he had got
> into the sheep, the
> slaughter would have been dreadful.
> Buddy had shown no aggression to anything else, but I was not going to stand
> aside and take the
> chance that he wouldn't.
>
>       Jewel--------------------------------------------------
> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:45 PM
> To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Ag-eq] sheep and dogs
>
>
> How many people have dogs and live stock?
>
> I'm asking because I'm having problems with one of my GSD chasing and
> attacking
> my sheep.  I've had shepherds and live stock together for years and haven't
> had
> this problem before.
>
> I only have one sheep, who is more of a pet than anything.  I do sheer him
> and a
> friend and I do use his wool for crafts.  I also have 5 goats, and the dog
> will
> chase them occasionally, but he is much more interested in the sheep.  The
> sheep tends to run from him and usually the goats just ignore him.
>
> A couple of weeks ago he attacked Oliver, the sheep and Oliver was hurt
> pretty
> bad.  He's going to be o.k. but he will have a few scars.
>
> Today I had a dog trainer come and work with Monty, the dog, so hopefully we
> can
> stop this problem.  Monty is an escape artist, so I'm going to have to run
> another strand of electric wire to keep him in his yard.
>
> If others have had issues with live stock and dogs I would like to know how
> you
> managed it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Nella
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Jody Ianuzzi <jody at thewhitehats.com>:
>
> > Hello Jewel,
> >
> > How many sheep are there now on the Blanch Ranch?  Do you sheer them for
> > wool?
> >
> > Did you have flooding this year like you did last year?
> > JODY
> >
> >
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