[Ag-eq] Classification of sheep meat: wasRe: Lambing on theBlanchRanch: a tragedy

nfoster at extremezone.com nfoster at extremezone.com
Fri Sep 27 04:46:10 UTC 2013 

Susan:

How do you cook the lamb meat?


I wonder if there is a big taste differnce between the lamb and mutton or is it
more of a texture difference?

Nella
Quoting Susan Roe <dogwoodfarm at verizon.net>:

> Nella,
>
> Both of us eat lamb, but I'm rather particular on how it is cooked.  I have
> never eaten mutten, but Matt has.
>
> Susan
> dogwoodfarm at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> To: "Jewel" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>; "Agricultural and Equestrean
> Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 7:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Classification of sheep meat: wasRe: Lambing on
> theBlanchRanch: a tragedy
>
>
> >
> > Thanks Jewel, now I can impress Mike with my knowledge!
> >
> > Yes, I had never heard the term hogget until you explained it.  I don't
> > eat
> > meat, so am not hanging about any butcher shops!
> >
> > Actually I don't know many people that eat lamb and mutton.  I see it on
> > some
> > resturant menus, but that's all.
> >
> > Nella
> > Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> >
> >> I did, or thought that I did send a message to  ag-eq regarding
> >> classification of sheep meat, but,
> >> perhaps it is on its way to outer space following the tracks left by
> >> Voyager.
> >>
> >> Repeated message:  When I was a kid, sheep meat was sold as red stripe,
> >> blue
> >> stripe or
> >> yellow stripe:  red being first class lamb, blue: hogget and yellow:
> >> mutton.
> >>  The stripe qualification was dispensed with years ago, but the
> >> classifications of lamb, hogget and
> >> mutton are still used, but they do not, exactly, mirror the age
> >> classifications of the live animal,
> >> so in the butcher shop, lamb is from birth to 1 year, hogget from 1 to 2
> >> and
> >> mutton from 2 and
> >> older.
> >> I think that if you were to ask for hogget in an American butchery,
> >> unless
> >> the butcher was a Kiwi,
> >> he, or she, would look at you with raised eyebrows and ask if it was
> >> sucking
> >> pig that you wanted!
> >>
> >>       Jewel
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:14 AM
> >> To: "Jewel" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Lambing on the BlanchRanch proceeds at a breakneck
> >> pace
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Jewel:
> >>
> >> Thanks for explaining sheep termonology!
> >>
> >> When does the meat stop being lamb and become mutton?
> >>
> >> Are there other terms for the meat besides lamb and mutton?
> >>
> >> Nella
> >> Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> >>
> >> > This year, I have 11 ewes, and usually have around that number.  I did
> >> > have
> >> > 20 one year but that,
> >> > for my property, is really too many.
> >> > They are crossbred Romney Hampshires with one R/H dorper cross.  I
> >> > don't
> >> keep
> >> > a ram as they are too
> >> > dangerous;  out in the wide open paddock they are fine but when
> >> > enclosed in
> >> a
> >> > small area from which
> >> > they can't escape, they go into fight or flight mode and as flight is
> >> > impossible, they fight, and
> >> > believe me, a ram makes a formidable foe, especially when you can't see
> >> > him
> >> > coming!
> >> > I buy a ram hogget in for the breeding season and then resell it to the
> >> meat
> >> > works as prime lamb.
> >> > Several of my ewes were born in 07 so their breeding life is really at
> >> > an
> >> > end, so they will be sold
> >> > as mutton:  one of them, sadly, I think is Petula, the one that has
> >> > made a
> >> > bit of a pet of herself
> >> > and who had the abscess in her throat;  btw, she is fine now.
> >> > I think that I will also sell the 3 that didn't get in lamb plus the
> >> whether
> >> > lambs in March.
> >> > All this thinning out will mean that I will keep the ewe lambs to bring
> >> > the
> >> > flock back up to
> >> > strength.
> >> > It is the common practice amongst proper sheep farmers to put their ewe
> >> > hoggets to the ram, but the,
> >> > the ewe hoggets have to be a minimum weight of 50kg and I rarely have
> >> > them
> >> > that well-grown at that
> >> > age.
> >> > FYI:  terminology from birth:  birth to 6 months is a lamb;  6 months
> >> > to a
> >> > year:  a hogget;  1 to 2
> >> > years:  a 2-tooth;  2 years to 3:  a 4-tooth and after that:  a
> >> > full-mouth
> >> or
> >> > aged.  2-tooth and
> >> > 4-tooth refer to the number of adult teeth the sheep has.  At 3 years,
> >> > it
> >> has
> >> > its full compliment of
> >> > 6 adult teeth, hence full-mouthed.
> >> > Going back to mating them as hoggets, they have to be a minimum weight
> >> > of
> >> > 50kg and I rarely have
> >> > them that well-grown by the age of 6 months, so next year may be a
> >> > lambless
> >> > year;  however, I will
> >> > ask Andrew from whom I buy sheep to run his experienced eye over them
> >> > and
> >> > tell me what he thinks.
> >> >
> >> >           Jewel
> >> > --------------------------------------------------
> >> > From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> >> > Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:49 AM
> >> > To: "Jewel" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>; "Agricultural and Equestrean
> >> Division
> >> > List"
> >> > <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Lambing on the BlanchRanch proceeds at a breakneck
> >> pace
> >> >
> >> > Jewel:
> >> >
> >> > How many ewes do you have?
> >> >
> >> > Do you keep your own ram?
> >> >
> >> > Also what breed of sheep do you have?
> >> >
> >> > Nella
> >> >
> >> > Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > A busy morning!  When I went out to the barn to feed the ewes,  from
> >> > > the
> >> > > sounds of newborn lamb
> >> > > bleats, 2 of the ewes had lambed in a small catching pen.
> >> > > When I searched around I found 2 lambs up on their feet, and one ewe
> >> > > lamb
> >> > > that didn't look too
> >> > > bright, so I brought her inside and put her in front of the fan
> >> > > heater to
> >> > > warm up and then  took her
> >> > > back to the newly-lambed ewes that I had shifted into another pen.  I
> >> > didn't
> >> > > know which ewe she
> >> > > belonged to but I hoped that they did.
> >> > > >From the calling of one of the ewes and the answering lamb bleat
> >> > > >from
> >> > inside
> >> > > the other half of the
> >> > > barn, I figured that when I rehomed them, I had missed a lamb, so I
> >> hunted
> >> > > for it, found it and
> >> > > reunited the family.
> >> > > The one that I had taken inside to the heater seems to be ok now.
> >> > > I will not be hand-feeding any lambs;  they make it on their own to,
> >> > > eventually,  become lamb roasts
> >> > > or they won't!
> >> > >
> >> > >          Jewel
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 3:49 PM
> >> To: "Jewel" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>; "Agricultural and Equestrean
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> >> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Lambing on the BlanchRanch:  a tragedy
> >>
> >>
> >> Jewel:
> >>
> >> The other day Mike and I were having a discussion about when is sheep
> >> meat
> >> called lamb and when is it called mutton.  I know you said lambs are
> >> under 6
> >> months old, so is lamb meat only from 6 month or less animals?
> >>
> >> Also are there any other words for the meat besides lamb and mutton?
> >>
> >> Mike likes to order lamb meat because he knows it bothers me.  I always
> >> say
> >> that
> >> lambs are to much like little goats and of course I love goats.  I love
> >> goats
> >> for pets, not food!
> >>
> >> Nella
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> >>
> >> > I apologise if the following message has already been on the list.  I
> >> > don't
> >> > see it in sent items,
> >> > and it does seem that some of my messages are going astray as are some
> >> > that
> >> > are addressed to me.
> >> >
> >> >       Jewel
> >> >
> >> > I have a tragedy to relate and it was caused, mainly, because I am
> >> > blind
> >> > which would have been
> >> > cancelled out if I had been just a bit more thorough.
> >> > I let the ewes and their lambs out into the back paddock:  oh!  maybe 4
> >> days
> >> > ago.  However,
> >> > yesterday, when Sam, my honorary shepherd came to count the lambs, he
> >> > found
> >> > that one ewe and her
> >> > lamb had been left shut in the stockyard.  I had heard the occasional
> >> > baah,
> >> > but I assumed that it
> >> > was from one of the ewes in the paddock.
> >> > The ewe had died, of starvation I would guess, as, not knowing that
> >> > there
> >> was
> >> > a sheep there, I had
> >> > not been putting out any feed.  I had intended to open the yard where
> >> > there
> >> > is a water trough, but
> >> > as there was no feed there and there are other water troughs out in the
> >> > paddock, I hadn't!
> >> > When Sam found them, the ewe was cold, but must have died that morning
> >> > as
> >> the
> >> > lamb had been feeding
> >> > from her even after her death:  I didn't know that that could happen
> >> > ! he was fine and is now being bottle-fed.
> >> > I had said that I would not be hand-rearing anything, but this, of
> >> > course,
> >> is
> >> > a completely different
> >> > case as the lamb is strong and healthy, and he, sure, is that!  I have
> >> never
> >> > seen such a big lamb
> >> > for his age which is about a week.  He must weigh 10 pounds and already
> >> > is
> >> up
> >> > to my knees in height.
> >> > I didn't have any replacer milk powder so, until I could get some, I
> >> > gave
> >> him
> >> > cow's milk which, at
> >> > first, he thought was vile, but he changed his mind and was away with a
> >> hiss
> >> > and a roar.  Well,
> >> > perhaps, not the best choice of words, as he is very quiet.
> >> > His name, btw, is Rambo!
> >> >
> >> >          Jewel
> >>
> >>
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