[Ag-eq] Horse gaits
Jewel
jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz
Sat Jan 25 00:28:53 UTC 2014
Would the "collected canter" be what I have heard referred to as a "hand gallop"?
Jewel
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Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Horse gaits
Tracy:
I may be wrong about this , but I think running and galloping are the same
thing. Like humans horses can run or gallop at different speeds. I've often
heard the slower galloped referred to as a collected canter. A collected canter
is what you want in a show ring; it looks nice. You want speed, not pretty with
a race horse.
The trot can be done at different speeds too. A slower trot is desirable in the
western pleasure shows. The slower trots tend to be more comfortable for the
rider. Most horses can just do the walk, the trot and the gallop. Gaited
horses such as the Tennessee Walkers and Missouri Fox Trotters have been bred
to produce other gaits such as the fox trot and the running walk. As I said
before most of it is genetics, just because a TWH is registered doesn't mean he
can do the gaits. I used to own a TWH who couldn't do a running walk. He could
do a flat walk, a terrible trot and a rough canter.
There are other gaited breeds such as the Paso Finos, the Peruvian Paso and the
Icelandics. I've never ridden these breeds, so don't know what they feel like.
They are suppose to be very smooth. I've often heard that the Peruvian Paso is
the smoothest of all the gaited breeds.
The enthusiasts of each breed say that their breed is the smoothest and the
most even tempered. I'm partial to fox trotters, but my neighbor is convinced
that the walkers are better. I guess it's just a matter of opinion. Over the
years I've learned that horse people are very opinionated!
Nella
Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
> A thoroughbred can finish a race "at a gallop", which seems to mean that
> he's so far ahead that he's just loping along. If that's a gallop, what is
> he doing when he's really running?
> I'm learning quite a bit from this discussion of horse gaits.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jewel" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
> To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
>
>
> > Nella! the *foxtrot does sound rather like the gait that I said Sparkle,
> > the pacer and Boss, the
> > Thoroughbred steeplechaser were able to produce!
> > I stand to be corrected, but I don't think that carriage horses ever did
> > the unilateral pace as
> > racing pacers do. I think that the gait was developed specifically for
> > racing.
> > Most pacers have to be hobbled to keep them from going into a diagonal
> > trot, but there is, the
> > occasional, * free-legged pacer who does not require hobbles.
> > One of the best free-legged pacers that I can remember was Rob allan, and
> > he was a sensation, and
> > then there was Scotch Tarr, a trotter, but he was so fast that he was
> > raced against pacers and,
> > often, left them gasping in the rear.
> > and while on the subject of gaits, what in cowboy and western stories is a
> > "dead run"? Is it just a
> > gallop?
> >
> > Jewel
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:48 PM
> > To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> >
> > Hi Jewel:
> >
> > I'll try and explain the fox trot; I still can't really get a mental
> > picture of
> > it!
> >
> > In a correct fox trot it looks as if the horses hind legs are trotting
> > while the
> > front legs are doing an extended walk. Cruiser's fox trot is extremely
> > smooth;
> > I'm told that he has a text book fox trot. It feels as if you are
> > gliding; the
> > horses back should stay quite level while in the fox trot.
> >
> > Cruiser can do a slow walk, which we refer to as the dog walk. He can do
> > a flat
> > walk, which is an extended walk; it was developed to cover more ground.
> > He can
> > do a fox trot, which I've already described. He also has a beautiful
> > rocking
> > horse canter, which is also very smooth.
> >
> > People with gaited horses do not want them to do the traditional trot.
> > The
> > ability to gait well is a combination of genetics, training and the riders
> > ability. Cruiser is genetically hard wired to gait; I can't take any of
> > the
> > credit. To the best of my knowledge he has never done a traditional trot.
> >
> > Most people with gaited horses do not want them to pace either. A pace is
> > a 2
> > beat lateral movement and can be quite jarring. Although, I'm told that
> > it is
> > comfortable on some horses. I believe the pace was developed for carriage
> > horses.
> >
> > I used to ride a friends Tennessee Walker who would sometimes pace. I
> > found it
> > to be very uncomfortable. He had a very nice flat walk and a nice running
> > walk. A running walk is basically the same as a flat walk, just faster.
> > This
> > particular horse had to have a lot of training before he gaited well. If
> > I
> > ever got sloppy with my riding he would start pacing. I would then have
> > to
> > adjust my seat and reins to get him to gait again.
> >
> > Sometimes when I get sloppy with Cruiser his fox trot won't be quite as
> > smooth.
> > As I said before he has never trotted and I don't think he's ever paced
> > either.
> >
> > There is so much to know about gaited horses and I'm still learning all
> > the
> > time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> >
> >> I read a book many years ago, about American show horses, called "Riding
> >> High" and it spoke of the
> >> 5-gaited American horse and explained the action of the foxtrot, but it
> >> was
> >> so long ago that I have
> >> forgotten.
> >> I think that it said the forelegs were in a trot while the hindlegs were
> >> in a
> >> canter; I just could
> >> not picture it,: after all: just how many different gaits can you get
> >> out
> >> of 4 legs?
> >> I do not move in horse circles: not actual ones you understand: any
> >> more,
> >> and, no doubt, some of
> >> our Kiwi western riders may teach the foxtrot, but, Nella, could you draw
> >> a
> >> verbal picture of the
> >> gait?.
> >> One awful practice that was common in those days amongst those who showed
> >> horses was to break the
> >> dock and strap it upright, so that when the fracture knit that was its
> >> permanent position!
> >> I hope that practice has been outlawed, but in a country where dog's ears
> >> are
> >> cropped and made to be
> >> pricked when dropped ears is the norm for the breed, who knows?
> >> Twice in my riding life, I had horses who could do a fantastic gait. like
> >> a
> >> very slow trot that I
> >> could sit to without the merest suggestion of a bump, and without having
> >> to
> >> keep my knees clamped to
> >> the horse's sides.
> >> one was a pacer and the other was Boss, the thoroughbred that I wrote
> >> of in
> >> a post of a couple of
> >> months back.
> >>
> >> I never thought of asking what the configuration of the horse's legs was
> >> when
> >> it was doing this
> >> trot? As one of the horses was a pacer, could it have been a pace? but
> >> it
> >> would have been
> >> surprising if the thoroughbred could do it without hobbles, but he could!
> >> It
> >> was the smoothest and
> >> most relaxing gait/pace to ride to!
> >>
> >> Jewel
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:13 PM
> >> To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> >>
> >> Hi Jody:
> >>
> >> it sounds as if Florida is much cooler than Arizona.
> >>
> >> I'm hoping we will get a couple of freezes so the insect population won't
> >> be
> >> so
> >> bad this summer.
> >>
> >> How are your young horses and what have you been doing with them?
> >>
> >> Have you been riding the older horse any?
> >>
> >> I've been getting some great rides in. Cruiser and I seem to be a better
> >> team
> >> each time I ride. I've been working on his transission from fox trot to
> >> canter. I'm also working with him on keeping a consistant speed in both
> >> the
> >> fox trot and canter. I've also been trying to get him to extend his flat
> >> walk,
> >> but he tends to go into the fox trot instead of lengthebing his stride.
> >> I
> >> may
> >> have to get a trainer to help me with that one.
> >>
> >> Please write and update us on the horses.
> >>
> >> Nella
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Jody W Ianuzzi <jody at thewhitehats.com>:
> >>
> >> > Welcome to the new members to the list.I am Jody with husband Tom and
> >> > owner
> >> > trained guide dog Walker
> >> >
> >> > We live on a 5 acre farm in central Florida with three horses and three
> >> > chickens. We have a large garden which is a source of frustration with
> >> > weather, rabbits and horses who are determined that everything I grow
> >> > never
> >> > reaches the table. This is the usual beginning of our growing season
> >> > but
> >> > northern temperatures have everything on hold. We actually take the
> >> > summer
> >> > off for growing because it is too hot.
> >> >
> >> > We used to live in New Hampshire and I am more familiar with northing
> >> growing
> >> > methods so growing a garden here is a new learning experience. We have
> >> > a
> >> > great Cooperative Extension and they are very helpful. We just
> >> > attended a
> >> > seminar on Florida gardening which was great.
> >> >
> >> > Stay warm everyone except Jewel who is in the middle of summer in New
> >> > Zealand. How is your garden this summer Jewel?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > JODY
> >> >
> >> > "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!" Thomas Jefferson
> >> >
> >> > On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:21 AM, nfoster at extremezone.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Tracy:
> >> > >
> >> > > It is suppose to be 75 here today.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yesterday reached 77.
> >> > >
> >> > > We are having an unusually warm winter even for Phoenix.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nella
> >> > >
> >> > > Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Well Nella and Jody, the thermometer said 5.5 degrees when I got up
> >> > >> this
> >> > >> morning. Brrr! Yesterday when I went to the gym, I made my Seeing
> >> > >> Eye
> >> dog
> >> > >> wear his sweater and boots. He wasn't too happy about it, but he
> >> > >> was
> >> warm
> >> > >> and dry.
> >> > >> I really wish I'd done more to protect my tender perennials. It
> >> > >> doesn't
> >> > >> usually stay cold for long here, but this winter has been really
> >> > >> nippy.
> >> > >> Tracy
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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