[Ag-eq] Horse gaits
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nfoster at extremezone.com
Sat Jan 25 15:48:28 UTC 2014
Tracy:
BLM manages the wild horses and they do round them up ever so often. I don't
know how many are sent to slaughter; I don't think there are any operating
slaughter facilities in the U.S at this time. Some of them are adopted out and
others are put in holding areas. They have to be thinned out sometimes or they
start to over graze their area.
I've heard that a couple of slaughter facilities are suppose to open again, but
don't know when it will happen. I believe horses that go to slaughter are
shipped to Canada or Mexico. I hear the places in Mexico are terrible. I know
horses from Arizona are sent there since we are close to the border.
Most horses are trained to back if their reins are pulled back. I use the reins
and my seat to ask Cruiser for the back.
I hope you get the opportunity to ride a well gaited horse some day.
Nella
Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
> I own a little land in Montana, and some of our neighbors have horses.
> Mostly, they graze in the pasture, and get hay in the winter. I'm sure
> Nella's right; the cow ponies were turned out on the range until they were
> needed. There are still wild horses on the range now, though I gather
> they're regularly rounded up and slaughtered.
>
> The only riding experiences I've had are with old quarter horses. One has
> to be careful not to hold the reins too tight, or they start backing up. I
> gues that's handy, herding and roping cattle. Their trot is anything but
> smooth. I wish I could try riding one of the smoothgaited horses Nella
> talks about.
> Tracy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Horse gaits
>
>
> > Jewel:
> >
> > Most likely the cow ponies would have only been able to do walk, trot and
> > canter. They probably would have called the canter a lope or gallop.
> >
> > I have read some histories about the west and ranch life. Most ranchers
> > let the
> > horses run loose on the range and they were rounded up when needed. I
> > have read
> > that these horses were often half wild and could provide some pretty
> > exciting
> > rides!
> >
> > They might have grown some hay, but like you I've never seen any
> > references to
> > it. I would think that importing grain would have been difficult and
> > costly.
> > I suspect the horses were tough enough to make it on what they could find
> > on
> > the range. They probably weren't as fat and shiny as horses of today.
> >
> > I think most western stories glorify the life style. They always make
> > cowboys
> > out to be romantic figures, when in reality they were drifters with little
> > more
> > than a horse and saddle.
> >
> > You bring up some good topics.
> >
> > Nella
> > Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> >
> >> >From what one reads in Western literature, cow ponies only had 2 paces:
> >> lope/canter and gallop.
> >> Having, cunningly, brought in "cow ponies" I can ask a question re
> >> feeding of
> >> same: a question that
> >> has never been referred to in any Western I have read.
> >> The ponies that weren't, actually, required at the moment for range work
> >> lived in corrals/ramudas,
> >> so they must have been handfed on hay and grain, but one never reads of
> >> fodder crops being grown and
> >> harvested on the ranches; were they, or was all fodder imported from the
> >> eastern states?
> >> When the cowboys were out on the range rounding up their own cattle and
> >> russling those that weren't,
> >> their horses were working very hard so just the little bit of grazing
> >> they
> >> were able to snatch would
> >> not have provided sufficient energy, so how were they fed? Apart from
> >> its
> >> rider, the pony, and that
> >> was, generally, just what they were, quite small, rarely taller than 14
> >> 2
> >> hands, the horse was
> >> packing the obligatory, rifle, slicker, bed roll, cowboy's breakfast
> >> bacon
> >> and beans, frying pan,
> >> coffee and pot, etc etc, so how could the little thing, even though it
> >> was as
> >> tough as boot leather
> >> carry additional hay and grain?
> >> Enquiring minds want to know!
> >>
> >> Jewel--------------------------------------------------
> >> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:29 AM
> >> To: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>; "Agricultural and Equestrean
> >> Division List"
> >> <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Horse gaits
> >>
> >>
> >> Tracy:
> >>
> >> I may be wrong about this , but I think running and galloping are the
> >> same
> >> thing. Like humans horses can run or gallop at different speeds. I've
> >> often
> >> heard the slower galloped refered to as a collected canter. A collected
> >> canter
> >> is what you want in a show ring; it looks nice. You want speed, not
> >> pretty
> >> with
> >> a race horse.
> >>
> >> The trot can be done at different speeds too. A slower trot is desirable
> >> in
> >> the
> >> western pleasure shows. The slower trots tend to be more comfortable for
> >> the
> >> rider. Most horses can just do the walk, the trot and the gallop.
> >> Gaited
> >> horses such as the Tennessee Walkers and Missouri Fox Trotters have been
> >> bred
> >> to produce other gaits such as the fox trot and the running walk. As I
> >> said
> >> before most of it is genetics, just because a TWH is registered doesn't
> >> mean
> >> he
> >> can do the gaits. I used to own a TWH who couldn't do a running walk.
> >> He
> >> could
> >> do a flat walk, a terrible trot and a rough canter.
> >>
> >>
> >> There are other gaited breeds such as the Paso Finos, the Peruvian Paso
> >> and
> >> the
> >> Icelandics. I've never ridden these breeds, so don't know what they feel
> >> like.
> >> They are suppose to be very smooth. I've often heard that the Peruvian
> >> Paso
> >> is
> >> the smoothest of all the gaited breeds.
> >>
> >> The enthusiasts of each breed say that their breed is the smoothest and
> >> the
> >> most even tempered. I'm partial to fox trotters, but my neighbor is
> >> convinced
> >> that the walkers are better. I guess it's just a matter of opinion.
> >> Over
> >> the
> >> years I've learned that horse people are very opinionated!
> >>
> >> Nella
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
> >>
> >> > A thoroughbred can finish a race "at a gallop", which seems to mean
> >> > that
> >> > he's so far ahead that he's just loping along. If that's a gallop,
> >> > what is
> >> > he doing when he's really running?
> >> > I'm learning quite a bit from this discussion of horse gaits.
> >> > Tracy
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Jewel" <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>
> >> > To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:09 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Nella! the *foxtrot does sound rather like the gait that I said
> >> Sparkle,
> >> > > the pacer and Boss, the
> >> > > Thoroughbred steeplechaser were able to produce!
> >> > > I stand to be corrected, but I don't think that carriage horses ever
> >> > > did
> >> > > the unilateral pace as
> >> > > racing pacers do. I think that the gait was developed specifically
> >> > > for
> >> > > racing.
> >> > > Most pacers have to be hobbled to keep them from going into a
> >> > > diagonal
> >> > > trot, but there is, the
> >> > > occasional, * free-legged pacer who does not require hobbles.
> >> > > One of the best free-legged pacers that I can remember was Rob allan,
> >> > > and
> >> > > he was a sensation, and
> >> > > then there was Scotch Tarr, a trotter, but he was so fast that he was
> >> > > raced against pacers and,
> >> > > often, left them gasping in the rear.
> >> > > and while on the subject of gaits, what in cowboy and western stories
> >> > > is
> >> a
> >> > > "dead run"? Is it just a
> >> > > gallop?
> >> > >
> >> > > Jewel
> >> > > --------------------------------------------------
> >> > > From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> >> > > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:48 PM
> >> > > To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> >> > > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Jewel:
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll try and explain the fox trot; I still can't really get a mental
> >> > > picture of
> >> > > it!
> >> > >
> >> > > In a correct fox trot it looks as if the horses hind legs are
> >> > > trotting
> >> > > while the
> >> > > front legs are doing an extended walk. Cruiser's fox trot is
> >> > > extremely
> >> > > smooth;
> >> > > I'm told that he has a text book fox trot. It feels as if you are
> >> > > gliding; the
> >> > > horses back should stay quite level while in the fox trot.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cruiser can do a slow walk, which we refer to as the dog walk. He
> >> > > can do
> >> > > a flat
> >> > > walk, which is an extended walk; it was developed to cover more
> >> > > ground.
> >> > > He can
> >> > > do a fox trot, which I've already described. He also has a beautiful
> >> > > rocking
> >> > > horse canter, which is also very smooth.
> >> > >
> >> > > People with gaited horses do not want them to do the traditional
> >> > > trot.
> >> > > The
> >> > > ability to gait well is a combination of genetics, training and the
> >> riders
> >> > > ability. Cruiser is genetically hard wired to gait; I can't take any
> >> > > of
> >> > > the
> >> > > credit. To the best of my knowledge he has never done a traditional
> >> trot.
> >> > >
> >> > > Most people with gaited horses do not want them to pace either. A
> >> > > pace
> >> is
> >> > > a 2
> >> > > beat lateral movement and can be quite jarring. Although, I'm told
> >> > > that
> >> > > it is
> >> > > comfortable on some horses. I believe the pace was developed for
> >> carriage
> >> > > horses.
> >> > >
> >> > > I used to ride a friends Tennessee Walker who would sometimes pace.
> >> > > I
> >> > > found it
> >> > > to be very uncomfortable. He had a very nice flat walk and a nice
> >> running
> >> > > walk. A running walk is basically the same as a flat walk, just
> >> > > faster.
> >> > > This
> >> > > particular horse had to have a lot of training before he gaited well.
> >> > > If
> >> > > I
> >> > > ever got sloppy with my riding he would start pacing. I would then
> >> > > have
> >> > > to
> >> > > adjust my seat and reins to get him to gait again.
> >> > >
> >> > > Sometimes when I get sloppy with Cruiser his fox trot won't be quite
> >> > > as
> >> > > smooth.
> >> > > As I said before he has never trotted and I don't think he's ever
> >> > > paced
> >> > > either.
> >> > >
> >> > > There is so much to know about gaited horses and I'm still learning
> >> > > all
> >> > > the
> >> > > time.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Quoting Jewel <jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz>:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I read a book many years ago, about American show horses, called
> >> > >> "Riding
> >> > >> High" and it spoke of the
> >> > >> 5-gaited American horse and explained the action of the foxtrot, but
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> was
> >> > >> so long ago that I have
> >> > >> forgotten.
> >> > >> I think that it said the forelegs were in a trot while the hindlegs
> >> > >> were
> >> > >> in a
> >> > >> canter; I just could
> >> > >> not picture it,: after all: just how many different gaits can you
> >> > >> get
> >> > >> out
> >> > >> of 4 legs?
> >> > >> I do not move in horse circles: not actual ones you understand:
> >> > >> any
> >> > >> more,
> >> > >> and, no doubt, some of
> >> > >> our Kiwi western riders may teach the foxtrot, but, Nella, could you
> >> draw
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> verbal picture of the
> >> > >> gait?.
> >> > >> One awful practice that was common in those days amongst those who
> >> showed
> >> > >> horses was to break the
> >> > >> dock and strap it upright, so that when the fracture knit that was
> >> > >> its
> >> > >> permanent position!
> >> > >> I hope that practice has been outlawed, but in a country where dog's
> >> ears
> >> > >> are
> >> > >> cropped and made to be
> >> > >> pricked when dropped ears is the norm for the breed, who knows?
> >> > >> Twice in my riding life, I had horses who could do a fantastic gait.
> >> like
> >> > >> a
> >> > >> very slow trot that I
> >> > >> could sit to without the merest suggestion of a bump, and without
> >> > >> having
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> keep my knees clamped to
> >> > >> the horse's sides.
> >> > >> one was a pacer and the other was Boss, the thoroughbred that I
> >> > >> wrote
> >> > >> of in
> >> > >> a post of a couple of
> >> > >> months back.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I never thought of asking what the configuration of the horse's legs
> >> > >> was
> >> > >> when
> >> > >> it was doing this
> >> > >> trot? As one of the horses was a pacer, could it have been a pace?
> >> > >> but
> >> > >> it
> >> > >> would have been
> >> > >> surprising if the thoroughbred could do it without hobbles, but he
> >> could!
> >> > >> It
> >> > >> was the smoothest and
> >> > >> most relaxing gait/pace to ride to!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Jewel
> >> > >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> > >> From: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> >> > >> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:13 PM
> >> > >> To: "Agricultural and Equestrean Division List" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Welcome
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi Jody:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> it sounds as if Florida is much cooler than Arizona.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm hoping we will get a couple of freezes so the insect population
> >> won't
> >> > >> be
> >> > >> so
> >> > >> bad this summer.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> How are your young horses and what have you been doing with them?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Have you been riding the older horse any?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I've been getting some great rides in. Cruiser and I seem to be a
> >> better
> >> > >> team
> >> > >> each time I ride. I've been working on his transission from fox
> >> > >> trot to
> >> > >> canter. I'm also working with him on keeping a consistant speed in
> >> > >> both
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> fox trot and canter. I've also been trying to get him to extend his
> >> flat
> >> > >> walk,
> >> > >> but he tends to go into the fox trot instead of lengthebing his
> >> > >> stride.
> >> > >> I
> >> > >> may
> >> > >> have to get a trainer to help me with that one.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Please write and update us on the horses.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Nella
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Quoting Jody W Ianuzzi <jody at thewhitehats.com>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Welcome to the new members to the list.I am Jody with husband Tom
> >> > >> > and
> >> > >> > owner
> >> > >> > trained guide dog Walker
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > We live on a 5 acre farm in central Florida with three horses and
> >> three
> >> > >> > chickens. We have a large garden which is a source of frustration
> >> with
> >> > >> > weather, rabbits and horses who are determined that everything I
> >> > >> > grow
> >> > >> > never
> >> > >> > reaches the table. This is the usual beginning of our growing
> >> > >> > season
> >> > >> > but
> >> > >> > northern temperatures have everything on hold. We actually take
> >> > >> > the
> >> > >> > summer
> >> > >> > off for growing because it is too hot.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > We used to live in New Hampshire and I am more familiar with
> >> > >> > northing
> >> > >> growing
> >> > >> > methods so growing a garden here is a new learning experience. We
> >> have
> >> > >> > a
> >> > >> > great Cooperative Extension and they are very helpful. We just
> >> > >> > attended a
> >> > >> > seminar on Florida gardening which was great.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Stay warm everyone except Jewel who is in the middle of summer in
> >> > >> > New
> >> > >> > Zealand. How is your garden this summer Jewel?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > JODY
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance!" Thomas Jefferson
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:21 AM, nfoster at extremezone.com wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Tracy:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > It is suppose to be 75 here today.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Yesterday reached 77.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > We are having an unusually warm winter even for Phoenix.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Nella
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > Quoting Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> Well Nella and Jody, the thermometer said 5.5 degrees when I
> >> > >> > >> got up
> >> > >> > >> this
> >> > >> > >> morning. Brrr! Yesterday when I went to the gym, I made my
> >> > >> > >> Seeing
> >> > >> > >> Eye
> >> > >> dog
> >> > >> > >> wear his sweater and boots. He wasn't too happy about it, but
> >> > >> > >> he
> >> > >> > >> was
> >> > >> warm
> >> > >> > >> and dry.
> >> > >> > >> I really wish I'd done more to protect my tender perennials.
> >> > >> > >> It
> >> > >> > >> doesn't
> >> > >> > >> usually stay cold for long here, but this winter has been
> >> > >> > >> really
> >> > >> > >> nippy.
> >> > >> > >> Tracy
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >>
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