[Ag-eq] dairy cows

Wed Aug 5 17:10:52 UTC 2015

Granted fat composition is going to vary between breeds, but Jersey cow milk
is as rich- actually contains more fat than the major dairy breeds of goats
(Alpine and Saanan). Sheep are king of components, but have the same problem
as goats in that their fat globule is small and doesn't separate as quickly.
Jersey cows have a large globule size and as a result, their fat will
separate faster than not only goats and sheep, but also other breeds of
dairy cow. 

I think it depends on the goats and cows you are putting together, how well
they will co-exist. A skiddish Nubian isn't going to bother a 1400 Lb boss
Holstein, but I've seen brazen Lamanchas cour 500 Lb heifers. Horns also
matter. There's a funny you-tube video of a horned buck K.O.ing a bull. 

For small scale dairy equipment you might like to check out Bob-White
Systems, http://bobwhitesystems.com/. 

Zac

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 10:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] dairy cows

Jewel:

I have been able to skim some of the cream from the goats milk, but you just
don't get as much.

I've been told that there are cream seperaters made especially for goat milk
and
have even found some on line.  I'm told they work far better than the one's
for
cow milk.  They are made differently and are better able to seperate the
smaller fats from the goat milk.

Have you ever used one?

Nella
Quoting Jewel via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:

> I have had cattle and goats in the same pasture and there has never been
any
> cultural issue.
> Nella!  have you tried skimming the cream off the goats' milk.  Of course,
> having a mechanical
> separator would be the ideal way to go about separating the milk from the
> cream [butter fat], , but
> another way I read about came across in one of my goatkeeper's lists of
yonks
> ago.
> Pour the day's milk into a number of shallow dishes and leave it to stand
in
> the dairy until the
> cream has risen to the surface:  nb:  the cream {butter fat} in goat's
milk
> is of a different
> consistency to that of cow's milk and takes longer to rise to the surface.
> While you are waiting for the cream to come to the surface and form a nice
> solid film, put a
> saucepan in the freezer.  The cold bottom of the saucepan will be your way
to
> lift the cream off the
> milk.
>
>          Jewel
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Nella Foster via Ag-eq" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 5:38 AM
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> Cc: <nfoster at extremezone.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] dairy cows
>
> Zac:
>
> I already have several goats, am currently jumping through all the hoops
to
> start a small dairy.  I mostly want a cow for the cream.  There are a few
> people around here that are crossing the Dexters with Jerseys to get a
small
> cow that gives less milk.  If I have a cow that gives lots of milk we are
> allowed to sell it here.  I will also be making cheese, butter and yogurt.
I
> will be sharing with family and friends.
>
> I haven't seen many dairy sheep around here.  I would love to try the
milk.
> I've had some sheep cheeses before, but never tasted just the milk.
>
> Do you know if there are any issues from keeping goats and cows together?
>
> Nella
>
> Quoting Zach Mason via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:
>
> > I have 25 years of experience with dairy cows. For a family pet-or just
> > enough milk for you, I'm hesitant to recommend a commercially bred
Jersey
> or
> > Guernsey as both of these breeds are capable of producing 40-50 LB/day,
or
> > about 5 to 6 gallons of milk. You might be able to find a "dud" that
only
> > makes 10-20 Lb/day, but I'm hesitant to recommend that too as there can
be
> a
> > health reason they aren't making more.
> >
> > I'd recommend goats or sheep before a cow if it's for family
consumption.
> > Some goats can produce 20 Lb/day, but only for a short period of time.
> > LaMancha and Nubians typically produce less than this. Another option is
> > Nigerian Dwarves. For sheep breeds, dairy breeds can be difficult to
come
> by
> > depending on where you are. The two major ones in the U.S. are the East
> > Friesian and Lacaune, but Dorset's have also been used in commercial
flocks
> > for milk production.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Zac
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James K via
> Ag-eq
> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 1:05 PM
> > To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
> > Cc: James K
> > Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] dairy cows
> >
> > I do not have a lot of experience with dairy cows. However, make sure
that
> > they are ones bread milk by hand. Money today or bread milk by machine.
You
> > might also consider buying a goat or two.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Nella Foster via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think I sent this message last week, but for some reason there was
no
> > text.
> > >
> > > I'm curious to know if anyone has ever owned dairy cows.
> > >
> > > I'm considering getting one and would love any advice or suggestions.
> > >
> > > I'm mostly looking at Jersey and Guernsey cows, they are a little
> > > smaller and tend to give a little less milk than some of the other
> > > breeds.  I've also researched Dexter and Dexter crosses, but all the
> > > ones I've found are very expensive.
> > >
> > > If anyone has cow knowledge I hope you will share.
> > >
> > > Nella
> > >
> > >
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