[Ag-eq] Nella's Sheep Questions

Mon Sep 7 13:22:23 UTC 2015

I don't know, have never put anything on my pasture.

Quoting Zach Mason via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:

> How long do you have to wait before you can put goats on a pasture you've
> spread urea on?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel via Ag-eq
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 4:50 PM
> To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
> Cc: Jewel
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Nella's Sheep Questions
>
> Also, if you intend to spread chemical fertiliser on your paddocks and you
> run goats, avoid uria as it is akin to POISON to them!
>
>           Jewel
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Zach Mason via Ag-eq" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 12:37 AM
> To: "'Agricultural and Equestrean Division List'" <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Zach Mason" <zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Nella's Sheep Questions
>
> Sheep are extremely sensitive to excess copper. You are right. I wouldn't
> feed a cow or goat, or any grain mix for that matter except that formulated
> specifically for sheep to sheep. Jewel makes a good point in that if you can
> give your goat's access to a mineral lick with the appropriate levels of
> copper in such a way that it excludes the sheep, you might want to consider
> switching over to feeding a sheep grain to everyone to cut costs. Just keep
> in mind you cannot feed any feed containing monensin or rumensin-probably
> didn't spell those right-to horses. It will kill them. However, goats and
> sheep will keep healthier when fed a coxidiostat.
>
> In my experience, sheep are pretty intense when it comes to meal time,
> especially when fed at certain times of the day. It wouldn't surprise me if
> they outcompeted your goats and horse if you made them eat at one location,
> or bowl you over if you try to feed them individually. When I did chores, I
> would feed the flock first, and while they were stuffing their faces I would
> sneak in and feed the animals requiring individual care.
>
> Concerning "dags", we've not had a problem, but our flock is 100% tail
> docked, the lambs go at 5-8 mo of age, the ewes are sheered once yearly, and
> the ewes have outdoor access except during lambing.
>
> I love sheep. They're so stupid and greedy, and unashamed.
>
> I too am interested to increase the number of blind people interested in
> agriculture. My plans are in their infancy stages, but could we do a little
> livestock show? Maybe at convention or something? For me, showing in 4-H was
> a huge part of why I'm in agriculture-that and growing up on a farm.
> Unfortunately as a master's student I don't have the time to help with
> organizing such an event anymore.
>
>
> Zac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ag-eq [mailto:ag-eq-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nella Foster via
> Ag-eq
> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2015 6:32 AM
> To: Agricultural and Equestrean Division List
> Cc: nfoster at extremezone.com
> Subject: Re: [Ag-eq] Nella's Sheep Questios
>
> Jewel:
>
> I have seen the back sides of sheep and that is why I'm leaning towards the
> hair breeds instead of the wool breeds.
>
> Do you sell sheep wool?
>
> Can you find people to sheer your sheep?
>
> Goat and sheep poo is not as messy as cow poo when on the ground, that is
> what I meant by less messy.
>
> Maybe I'm confused but I thought that I read sheep can be sensitive to
> copper in large amounts.  I thought the reports were saying that sheep need
> smaller amounts of copper than goats and horses.  A couple of farmers have
> told me the same thing.  One man said to much copper could kill a sheep, so
> I will research it again.
>
> I keep baking soda, a salt block and a mineral block out for my goats and
> horse.
>  I have seen loose minerals for specific species and ones that list several
> livestock species.  The horse and goats have happily live together for
> years, I've also had goats and mules together and it was very successful.
> They seem to have similar dietary needs and everyone has stayed very
> healthy.  I worry if I introduce a cow or a couple of sheep, I will do
> something wrong and somebody will get sick.
>
> I like to do lots of research before trying a new project.  I don't want my
> animals suffering because of my ignorance.  My other big concern about
> introducing sheep is bringing in diseases that could harm the goats.  I have
> a CAE and CL free herd and would like to keep it that way.  Sheep can carry
> those diseases, but cattle cannot.  I have beautiful healthy goats, that are
> good milkers, so do not want to put them at risk.
>
> I really appreciate everyone's advice.  I love how this group shares with
> one another.  To bad we can't get more blind people interested in horses and
> agriculture.
>
> Nella
>
>
>
> Quoting Jewel via Ag-eq <ag-eq at nfbnet.org>:
>
> > This is the 4th time that I have started this letter re Nella's
> > queries
> about
> > sheep, .  For some
> > reason, the computer keeps
> >
> > shutting down and I lose what I have written, so, here goes:
> > My dearest Nella!  you said that sheep poop is a lot less * messy than
> that
> > of cattle!  Dear--o dear
> > oh  dear!  It is,
> >
> > obvious:  well, obvious to me anyway:   that you have never run your hands
> > over a sheep's backside!
> > * MESSY doesn't even
> >
> > come close to it!
> > It is true that there are sheep that have been, selectively, bred to
> > be worm-resistant and to have bare backsides, but such
> >
> > divine animals may command a premium price. but they are worth the
> > extra dollars because you will save on the cost of
> >
> > drenching [de-worming] and crutching [clipping wool off mucky
> > backsides],
> so
> > if you are able to, get
> > them, however, if you
> >
> > cant't, we will take them out of the picture.
> > With your normal, common or garden run-of-the-mill baa lamb, the
> > excrement will get caught in the wool, and will, in time,
> >
> > and not a very long time at that,  and will, build up into lumps of
> > shit
> the
> > size of a cricket ball,
> >
> > or if you are not familiar with a cricket ball, say an obese tennis ball!!
> > We, here in New Zealand call these balls DAGS, and that gave rise to
> > a, perhaps, unique Kiwi expression, not heard often
> >
> > now, but still remembered by the old-timers, such as your present
> > correspondent:  ergo:  "Rattle
> > your dags!"  which means
> >
> > "get a  wriggle on/hurry up!" and comes from the fact that these dags,
> when
> > dry, will rattle like
> > castanets when the sheep
> >
> > are running.  Kiwi lambs, usually have their tails removed when they
> > are a few weeks old.
> > I have, personally, been responsible for introducing the instruction
> "rattle
> > your dags!" to a number
> > of Americans who have
> >
> > added it to their family lexicon!
> > and now, pressing on to the grazing habits of sheep/goats.
> > These 2 species make an ideal grazing combination as the goats prefer
> > to
> eat
> > the weeds and rougher
> > types of grass that are
> >
> > unpalatable to sheep while they, the sheep thrive on clover which the
> goats
> > avoid.
> > I think, though I may be wrong, that you have copper requirements all
> > arsie-boo!  Sheep and cattle require copper, while
> >
> > goats can do without, though a very small amount won't harm them!
> > American goatkeepers usually have a bin of baking soda, and one of
> > loose minerals to which the goats have free access!
> >
> >        Jewel
> >
> >
> >
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