[Ag-eq] [GP] Honey locusts

Thu Aug 30 06:38:11 UTC 2018

    The little sapplings are here, but, although the weather is very springlike, to be certain that they won't get nipped by a late frost, I will keep them in the greenhouse until November.
They arrived sans any labels or such that would have information as to the variety, so I got in touch with the nursery and was told that they were Gleditsia Triacanthos:  "OH  REALLY!"  however Google was able to make all clear and it turns out that G Triacanthos is the common thornless Sunburst.
upon  further investigation , I was told that, when fully grown, it has a  spread of 49 feet.
If they think:  do trees think?  that I am gunna plant them 50 feet apart, they had better think again because it ain't gunna happen!  They will just have to accept that their branches are gunna get all palsy-walsy with those of the neighbours:  concentrated community-living I guess you would call it!
In Elizabeth's letter that I have left here, she mentions the Javelina, an American indigenous animal that I had never heard of until Chet mentioned it in one of Spencer Quinn books about the Little Detective Agency.
Another native animal that one never hears of is the Fisher:  sorry, not sure of the spelling: cat.  Is the Fisher Cat synonymous with the bear cat.  Why bear cat?  Is it a bear that looks like a cat or a cat that looks like a bear, or neither?
They must be quite ferrocious as, when I was on the Newfoundland Dog Lovers list, one winter a newf disappeared and it was assumed that he had run foul of a fisher cat.
As it happened, tragically, he was found next spring, having fallen into a ground level swimming pool and because of the ice, the dog was unable to climb out.          Jewel

From: 'Elizabeth Radi' lizradi at skybeam.com [GoatsPlus] 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 2:59 AM
To: GoatsPlus at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [GP] Honey locusts

Yes mine(honey locust) are seedless so do not get the pods. I live in town now, so did not want the pods.

When we lived in Arizona, we had 5 acres covered with mesquite trees. They have bean pods and the goats just loved them. As did the javelina, coyotes and I think the native indigenous people used to grind them up for flour, and they are very high in protein. OH, the pack rats liked them also. They had tons of thorns also.

Liz Radi

Eaton, Colorado

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From: "'Jewel' jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz [GoatsPlus]" <GoatsPlus at yahoogroups.com>
To: <GoatsPlus at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [GP] Honey locusts
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 20:35:11 +1200

Honey Locusts are so rare here that very few nurserypersons, let alone the average Jo on the street, know anything about, or have even heard of them!
I asked Kahikatea Farm, the organic nursery from whom I am getting them, for optimum planting distances but, it seems, they never keep them beyond the early sappling stage because the email writer said that she knew no more about them than what was in their website, and even that does not give separation distances, only the height of the mature tree which is around 66 feet..
As I write, the 4 sapplings are on their journey south, so, I should have them on Wednesday so I will get someone to look on the label and tell me what variety they are.
Elizabeth! did you say that yours were seedless. It is the seeds/pods that I am getting them for. They are also resistant to rot so pruned off branches of a suitable diameter make ideal fence posts. 
Jewel

From: 'Elizabeth Radi' lizradi at skybeam.com [GoatsPlus] 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:11 AM
To: GoatsPlus at yahoogroups.com 
Cc: GoatsPlus at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [GP] Honey locusts

Jewel and all.
We live in a housing development in Eaton Colorado. We just moved in last august and had to do all our landscaping. The local greenhouse recommends Honey locusts for our area as they do well with the irrigation water, grow fast, and are not a soft wood but a medium so will withstand better to winds. We also purchased a bur oak.
Well anyway, we bought a Sunburst Honey Locust. They are thornless, and seedless. Have small leaves that blow away so no raking. Turn yellow in the fall. Jewel, I would suggest that you check the species that you ordered, and call your local greenhouse with any questions. I know here in Colorado, they are popular, and a handsome tree. Have not seen any sucker shoots out of them. 
Just my experience with the honey locusts trees in our area. 

Liz Radi

Eaton, Colorado

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From: "'Jewel' jewelblanch at kinect.co.nz [GoatsPlus]" <GoatsPlus at yahoogroups..com>
To: <GoatsPlus at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [GP] Honey locusts
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:04:22 +1200

Dear oh dear! What horrific pictures you ladies paint. The honey locust is a very rare tree in New Zealand, not invasive by any stretch of the imagination and have abandonned those undesirable traits you speak of since their move to NZ.

Jewel 

From: Joyce E yzoldowl at exede.net [GoatsPlus] 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 1:33 PM
To: GoatsPlus at yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [GP] Honey locusts

Don't let them take over your property! They are invasive here in southeastern Ohio. They grow fast! -- and beware of the thorns!

Plant them in a small grove, about eight feet apart. That way you won't have a forest of the blasted things.

Joyce
SE Ohio

On 8/25/2018 3:06 AM, 'Jewel' wrote:

This is a variety of tree that I have been anxious to grow for many years, but until a week ago, I 
hadn't been able to find a nursery that had them. but now I have and am getting 4 seedlings.
However, unless I am fortunate enough to set up a new record for longevity, it is unlikely, though 
not impossible, that I will see them through to their maturity.
I have very bad luck at persuading vegetables to frow for me, but, to date, the majority of trees 
that I have planted have done very well.
I see, from the web, that honey locusts grow to a height of 20m: 66 feet or thereabouts. I don't 
want to plant them, unnecessarily, far apart nor do I wish to overcrowd them, so if any of you have 
had H L, what did you find was the optimum separation?

Jewel

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