[Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] Interpoint questions

[Lisa Yayla]

Hi Mike,

Yes, the indentation, the "inside out" dot could be thought of as a new color/dot height (negative dot height for that matter). It is, 
it seems even more "vague" but still discernable.
So it is another "color" for the designer of the tactile to use. To use the inside out dot one has to work on both sides
Of the paper and that is where the interpoint view in Tiger Designer comes is useful (I have seen this interpoint tool with other printers).

So it is not something that the reader thinks over - it is just part of the picture/diagram.

But wondering if the effect of a texture or line with "inside out" dots  haptic "intensity" would be the same as the right sided dots.
Er ... that was I think not the best way to express what I am wondering. I think it is most noticeable when using lines - with large areas of
texture the front and back might seem the same.

Have not tested this out really well yet but just something I started to think about

Regards,

Lisa
 


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Emne: Re: [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] Interpoint questions

Hi, This is really interesting. I'm not sure that a blind reader would
automatically think the reversed embossing would apply to the side they were
touching since we train ourselves to ignore the interpoint when reading,
even though it can certainly be felt. But I do work for ViewPlus, so I am
familiar with the Tigers and wondering why you can't use the different dot
height colors to produce these affects? Or are you thinking that the "inside
out" dots add a new color/dot height to the existing 8?

Anyway I think it is a good idea but I don't think it would be intuitive. 
Mike
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Subject: [Art_beyond_sight_theory_and_research] Interpoint questions

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone uses the intergraphic/interpoint capability of
their embossers with the idea of the texture it creates on the opposite
page?

I am working with a Tiger and thinking about the patterns made on the back
of the paper and wondered if this could be
used consciously for its affect?


1.       Could the reverse of an embossed line  be used for instance to
represent "behind"? Say if one is trying to show mountains behind mountains?

2.       Is there a haptic difference between an embossed line and the
reverse of the embossed line? I mean does the finger notice a difference
between the two lines (haven't tested it out yet)?

3.       By using both sides of the paper to produce an effect on the first
page, could this increase the texture "pallet" of an embosser?

4.       Could it be called a "negative" texture?

5.       Could one use words like "intense" to describe a more defined
texture?

So if you want to try it out this is what I did - draw a few mountain forms
with the text/braille color on one side, line width two and on page two drew
lines behind with color 1, width 1 and took away points to make the lines
even more vague.  The idea being that lines from page two will be of a
weaker "intensity" (but still discernable) when touched from page 1 then if
I had used color 1, width 1.


Thanks,

Lisa



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