[AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested andexcitednfbmember
Ali
aliherky at gmail.com
Wed Jun 6 16:00:02 UTC 2018
If the systems were ever to require the driver to take control,
this would be impossible for a blind person to safely do.
Ali
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andexcitednfbmember
As a faculty member in a College of Engineering, my primary
responsibilities are in the areas of ethics and morality in
engineering.
Autonomous vehicles are a principal interest of mine.
All of the crashes of autonomous vehicles that have been
publicized, have
been as a result of failures not of single systems, but in the
intersection
of systems in the vehicles. In the case of the Uber crash in
Arizona that
killed a cyclist/pedestrian, the LIDAR (laser radar) 'saw' the
person early
enough to brake and to steer around her. However, the system
that 'makes
sense of' what the LIDAR detects, was switched to a mode that
delayed such
a reaction -- it was in a very conservative mode where the car's
systems
would have had to be closer to 100% certain of what was being
detected by
the LIDAR before automatically responding.
In the TESLA crashes, early analysis of the cars' black-boxes
indicates
that systems were attempting to alert the drivers to take control
because
the cars' systems were detecting situations that they were not
designed to
handle. In these cases, the handoff of control from car to human
driver was
missed.
Looking outside the cars and their technology, Arizona has
established the
most lax regulation on testing of autonomous vehicles, of any
state that
allows such testing. It was as a side-effect of this lax
regulation that
Uber was able to get away with only one safety-driver in the
vehicle.
Other states that allow testing of autonomous vehicles on public
roadways
require two safety-drivers (one behind the wheel ready to take
control, and
one who monitors the car's systems in real time). Uber's history
of
business practices that take large risks may have been a
contributing
factor somehow.
In the cases of Tesla crashes, we know that marketing information
has
heavily hyped what Tesla calls its 'auto pilot' autonomous
driving mode.
There have even been television commercials with Elon Musk
driving/riding a
car with his hands out the window, yelling and boasting of its
autonomous
capabilities. Compare this with the safety information that comes
with the
cars that cautions drivers to not treat 'auto pilot' as a safe
autonomous
mode.
A lot of what we are seeing with autonomous vehicles has to do
with the
fact that the companies and consumers are not necessarily
prepared to deal
with the intersection of so many technical and social systems
that we are
suddenly faced with. In fact, no engineering innovation is ever
'only
technical'. Every engineering innovation pushes small or large
impacts on
us in terms of how we know and behave in the world. Those who
adapt to the
new limits of technologies are able to benefit, but those who do
not
understand those limits will run the risk of the failure of these
multiple
systems.
There is absolutely no question in my mind that successful
development in
the technologies of autonomous vehicles will occur. However,
successful
social adaptation may not be so clearly possible for everyone.
This is why
every stakeholder group -- including and perhaps especially those
with
visual impairments that prevent them from getting a driver's
license
currently -- has to be active in the latter. This listserv is a
touchpoint
for all of us who are stakeholders in this particular way. Your
involvement locally, in your State policy-making branches, and
even more
broadly, is very needed!
_don
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Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
*Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
Boise State University, College of Engineering
Dept of Organizational Performance & Workplace Learning (OPWL)
1910 University Drive, Mail Stop 2070
Boise, Idaho 83725-2070 USA
E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
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On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:50 AM Ali via AutonomousVehicles <
autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Probably just because I'm extremely afraid of accidents LOL.
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From: Daniel Perry via AutonomousVehicles
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Date sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:18:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
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me too, but I've been told not to wurry since everyone seems to
be behind
them. I think the crashes are all just a part of the process
morbid as that
sounds.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
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nfbmember
I have high hopes for the future, but right now am too worried
about the
multiple crashes that have been had.
Ali
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From: Daniel Perry via AutonomousVehicles
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Date sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:59:30 -0400
Subject: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested and
excited
nfbmember
Hello everyone, my name is Daniel Perry and I found this list
and
immediately signed up because I'm extremely excited about the
prospect of
autonomous vehicles being a reality as well as we the totally
blind being
able to use them. I can't wait to own one as soon as they're
afordable
enough for your average blind person to purchase and own. I'll
be very
excited to see how Waymo progresses after its launch later on
this year.
What's the latest in our efforts to make these vehicles
accessible to the
blind? have a wonderful day and I look forward to hearing from
you soon.
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