[AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interestedandexcitednfbmember
Angela Daniel
msangela48 at gmail.com
Wed Jun 6 17:30:02 UTC 2018
I totally share your enthusiasm. Can't wait to own my own car. Or be a part
of a community car that provide service to my family. For sure autonomous
vehicles will change everything. Policing, insurance, and no more need for
parking lots because the cars will constantly be picking up or dropping off
the next person. So happy to be a member of NFB who are on the forefront of
accessibility issues regarding the blind. We are moving from a
Transportation era, to a people moving era.
Best regards
Angela
On Jun 6, 2018 12:52 PM, "Donald Winiecki via AutonomousVehicles" <
autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Absolutely yes! Accessibility is essential across the spectrum.
>
> _don
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:45 AM Ali via AutonomousVehicles <
> autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Something that should be kept in mind is that the interface
>> should be able to be voice controlled by the blind person.
>>
>> Ali
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Donald Winiecki via AutonomousVehicles
>> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> To: autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 10:25:24 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very
>> interestedandexcitednfbmember
>>
>> Yes. A blind individual could not address a situation visually.
>>
>> However, if the car were narrating things that it was 'seeing'
>> and how it
>> was making decisions, the driver would have more information
>> about what is
>> happening. This information might be somewhat analogous to what a
>> sighed
>> driver would have -- sort of like what we get with a screen
>> reader for your
>> computer. In some circumstances, I can imagine a self-driving
>> car would
>> require decisions to be made by the driver, and if the car was
>> continually
>> updating the driver with relevant information he or she could
>> respond and
>> command the car, rather than expecting that the car is making all
>> the
>> decisions. (I would expect that there would be settings that
>> allow the car
>> to be more or less `chatty` in this regard. Some individuals
>> would want
>> lots of information, while others would want a functional minimum
>> of
>> information from the car.
>>
>> For example, if you are driving to work in the morning and
>> encounter heavy
>> traffic or a stoppage, the car could tell you this and ask for
>> your
>> decision on whether to continue the same route, or offer one of
>> several
>> alternative routes. You would have to tell the car what to do.
>>
>> Similarly, in the event of any accident of any sort, the car
>> would have to
>> be able to tell the driver what has happened and advise the
>> driver on
>> options, as well as automatically contacting relevant
>> authorities.
>>
>> What I am getting at, is the idea that no matter who is
>> `driving,` the
>> human will still have to be in the loop somehow, and to be a
>> responsible
>> agent in some circumstances. So far this has not been emphasized
>> in the
>> development of autonomous vehicles, but I will say that I expect
>> this to
>> become an important feature in the future.
>>
>> Designing an interface that permits these things will absolutely
>> require
>> active participation from drivers who are blind or
>> visually-impaired.
>>
>> _don
>> ​
>> ​
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
>> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
>> Boise State University, College of Engineering
>> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d​
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:02 AM Ali via AutonomousVehicles <
>> autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> If the systems were ever to require the driver to take control,
>> this would be impossible for a blind person to safely do.
>>
>> Ali
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Donald Winiecki via AutonomousVehicles
>> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> To: autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:25:44 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
>> andexcitednfbmember
>>
>> As a faculty member in a College of Engineering, my primary
>> responsibilities are in the areas of ethics and morality in
>> engineering.
>> Autonomous vehicles are a principal interest of mine.
>>
>> All of the crashes of autonomous vehicles that have been
>> publicized, have
>> been as a result of failures not of single systems, but in the
>> intersection
>> of systems in the vehicles. In the case of the Uber crash in
>> Arizona that
>> killed a cyclist/pedestrian, the LIDAR (laser radar) 'saw' the
>> person early
>> enough to brake and to steer around her. However, the system
>> that 'makes
>> sense of' what the LIDAR detects, was switched to a mode that
>> delayed such
>> a reaction -- it was in a very conservative mode where the car's
>> systems
>> would have had to be closer to 100% certain of what was being
>> detected by
>> the LIDAR before automatically responding.
>>
>> In the TESLA crashes, early analysis of the cars' black-boxes
>> indicates
>> that systems were attempting to alert the drivers to take
>> control
>> because
>> the cars' systems were detecting situations that they were not
>> designed to
>> handle. In these cases, the handoff of control from car to human
>> driver was
>> missed.
>>
>> Looking outside the cars and their technology, Arizona has
>> established the
>> most lax regulation on testing of autonomous vehicles, of any
>> state that
>> allows such testing. It was as a side-effect of this lax
>> regulation that
>> Uber was able to get away with only one safety-driver in the
>> vehicle.
>> Other states that allow testing of autonomous vehicles on public
>> roadways
>> require two safety-drivers (one behind the wheel ready to take
>> control, and
>> one who monitors the car's systems in real time). Uber's history
>> of
>> business practices that take large risks may have been a
>> contributing
>> factor somehow.
>>
>> In the cases of Tesla crashes, we know that marketing
>> information
>> has
>> heavily hyped what Tesla calls its 'auto pilot' autonomous
>> driving mode.
>> There have even been television commercials with Elon Musk
>> driving/riding a
>> car with his hands out the window, yelling and boasting of its
>> autonomous
>> capabilities. Compare this with the safety information that
>> comes
>> with the
>> cars that cautions drivers to not treat 'auto pilot' as a safe
>> autonomous
>> mode.
>>
>> A lot of what we are seeing with autonomous vehicles has to do
>> with the
>> fact that the companies and consumers are not necessarily
>> prepared to deal
>> with the intersection of so many technical and social systems
>> that we are
>> suddenly faced with. In fact, no engineering innovation is ever
>> 'only
>> technical'. Every engineering innovation pushes small or large
>> impacts on
>> us in terms of how we know and behave in the world. Those who
>> adapt to the
>> new limits of technologies are able to benefit, but those who do
>> not
>> understand those limits will run the risk of the failure of
>> these
>> multiple
>> systems.
>>
>> There is absolutely no question in my mind that successful
>> development in
>> the technologies of autonomous vehicles will occur. However,
>> successful
>> social adaptation may not be so clearly possible for everyone.
>> This is why
>> every stakeholder group -- including and perhaps especially
>> those
>> with
>> visual impairments that prevent them from getting a driver's
>> license
>> currently -- has to be active in the latter. This listserv is a
>> touchpoint
>> for all of us who are stakeholders in this particular way. Your
>> involvement locally, in your State policy-making branches, and
>> even more
>> broadly, is very needed!
>>
>> _don
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:50 AM Ali via AutonomousVehicles <
>> autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Probably just because I'm extremely afraid of accidents LOL.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Daniel Perry via AutonomousVehicles
>> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> To: "autonomous Vehicles Discussion"
>> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:18:18 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
>> and excitednfbmember
>>
>> me too, but I've been told not to wurry since everyone seems to
>> be behind
>> them. I think the crashes are all just a part of the process
>> morbid as that
>> sounds.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Ali via AutonomousVehicles"
>> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:13 PM
>> To: "autonomous Vehicles Discussion"
>> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: "Ali" <aliherky at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
>> and excited
>> nfbmember
>>
>> I have high hopes for the future, but right now am too worried
>> about the
>> multiple crashes that have been had.
>>
>> Ali
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Daniel Perry via AutonomousVehicles
>> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> To: <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:59:30 -0400
>> Subject: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested and
>> excited
>> nfbmember
>>
>> Hello everyone, my name is Daniel Perry and I found this list
>> and
>> immediately signed up because I'm extremely excited about the
>> prospect of
>> autonomous vehicles being a reality as well as we the totally
>> blind being
>> able to use them. I can't wait to own one as soon as they're
>> afordable
>> enough for your average blind person to purchase and own. I'll
>> be very
>> excited to see how Waymo progresses after its launch later on
>> this year.
>> What's the latest in our efforts to make these vehicles
>> accessible to the
>> blind? have a wonderful day and I look forward to hearing from
>> you soon.
>>
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