[AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interestedandexcitednfbmember
Donald Winiecki
dwiniecki at handid.org
Wed Jun 6 16:51:06 UTC 2018
Absolutely yes! Accessibility is essential across the spectrum.
_don
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:45 AM Ali via AutonomousVehicles <
autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Something that should be kept in mind is that the interface
> should be able to be voice controlled by the blind person.
>
> Ali
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donald Winiecki via AutonomousVehicles
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> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 10:25:24 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very
> interestedandexcitednfbmember
>
> Yes. A blind individual could not address a situation visually.
>
> However, if the car were narrating things that it was 'seeing'
> and how it
> was making decisions, the driver would have more information
> about what is
> happening. This information might be somewhat analogous to what a
> sighed
> driver would have -- sort of like what we get with a screen
> reader for your
> computer. In some circumstances, I can imagine a self-driving
> car would
> require decisions to be made by the driver, and if the car was
> continually
> updating the driver with relevant information he or she could
> respond and
> command the car, rather than expecting that the car is making all
> the
> decisions. (I would expect that there would be settings that
> allow the car
> to be more or less `chatty` in this regard. Some individuals
> would want
> lots of information, while others would want a functional minimum
> of
> information from the car.
>
> For example, if you are driving to work in the morning and
> encounter heavy
> traffic or a stoppage, the car could tell you this and ask for
> your
> decision on whether to continue the same route, or offer one of
> several
> alternative routes. You would have to tell the car what to do.
>
> Similarly, in the event of any accident of any sort, the car
> would have to
> be able to tell the driver what has happened and advise the
> driver on
> options, as well as automatically contacting relevant
> authorities.
>
> What I am getting at, is the idea that no matter who is
> `driving,` the
> human will still have to be in the loop somehow, and to be a
> responsible
> agent in some circumstances. So far this has not been emphasized
> in the
> development of autonomous vehicles, but I will say that I expect
> this to
> become an important feature in the future.
>
> Designing an interface that permits these things will absolutely
> require
> active participation from drivers who are blind or
> visually-impaired.
>
> _don
> ​
> ​
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Don Winiecki, Ed.D., Ph.D.
> *Professor of Ethics & Morality in Professional Practice*
> Boise State University, College of Engineering
> E-mail: dwiniecki at boisestate.edu
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d​
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 10:02 AM Ali via AutonomousVehicles <
> autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> If the systems were ever to require the driver to take control,
> this would be impossible for a blind person to safely do.
>
> Ali
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donald Winiecki via AutonomousVehicles
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> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:25:44 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
> andexcitednfbmember
>
> As a faculty member in a College of Engineering, my primary
> responsibilities are in the areas of ethics and morality in
> engineering.
> Autonomous vehicles are a principal interest of mine.
>
> All of the crashes of autonomous vehicles that have been
> publicized, have
> been as a result of failures not of single systems, but in the
> intersection
> of systems in the vehicles. In the case of the Uber crash in
> Arizona that
> killed a cyclist/pedestrian, the LIDAR (laser radar) 'saw' the
> person early
> enough to brake and to steer around her. However, the system
> that 'makes
> sense of' what the LIDAR detects, was switched to a mode that
> delayed such
> a reaction -- it was in a very conservative mode where the car's
> systems
> would have had to be closer to 100% certain of what was being
> detected by
> the LIDAR before automatically responding.
>
> In the TESLA crashes, early analysis of the cars' black-boxes
> indicates
> that systems were attempting to alert the drivers to take
> control
> because
> the cars' systems were detecting situations that they were not
> designed to
> handle. In these cases, the handoff of control from car to human
> driver was
> missed.
>
> Looking outside the cars and their technology, Arizona has
> established the
> most lax regulation on testing of autonomous vehicles, of any
> state that
> allows such testing. It was as a side-effect of this lax
> regulation that
> Uber was able to get away with only one safety-driver in the
> vehicle.
> Other states that allow testing of autonomous vehicles on public
> roadways
> require two safety-drivers (one behind the wheel ready to take
> control, and
> one who monitors the car's systems in real time). Uber's history
> of
> business practices that take large risks may have been a
> contributing
> factor somehow.
>
> In the cases of Tesla crashes, we know that marketing
> information
> has
> heavily hyped what Tesla calls its 'auto pilot' autonomous
> driving mode.
> There have even been television commercials with Elon Musk
> driving/riding a
> car with his hands out the window, yelling and boasting of its
> autonomous
> capabilities. Compare this with the safety information that
> comes
> with the
> cars that cautions drivers to not treat 'auto pilot' as a safe
> autonomous
> mode.
>
> A lot of what we are seeing with autonomous vehicles has to do
> with the
> fact that the companies and consumers are not necessarily
> prepared to deal
> with the intersection of so many technical and social systems
> that we are
> suddenly faced with. In fact, no engineering innovation is ever
> 'only
> technical'. Every engineering innovation pushes small or large
> impacts on
> us in terms of how we know and behave in the world. Those who
> adapt to the
> new limits of technologies are able to benefit, but those who do
> not
> understand those limits will run the risk of the failure of
> these
> multiple
> systems.
>
> There is absolutely no question in my mind that successful
> development in
> the technologies of autonomous vehicles will occur. However,
> successful
> social adaptation may not be so clearly possible for everyone.
> This is why
> every stakeholder group -- including and perhaps especially
> those
> with
> visual impairments that prevent them from getting a driver's
> license
> currently -- has to be active in the latter. This listserv is a
> touchpoint
> for all of us who are stakeholders in this particular way. Your
> involvement locally, in your State policy-making branches, and
> even more
> broadly, is very needed!
>
> _don
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:50 AM Ali via AutonomousVehicles <
> autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Probably just because I'm extremely afraid of accidents LOL.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Perry via AutonomousVehicles
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> To: "autonomous Vehicles Discussion"
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> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 08:18:18 -0400
> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
> and excitednfbmember
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> me too, but I've been told not to wurry since everyone seems to
> be behind
> them. I think the crashes are all just a part of the process
> morbid as that
> sounds.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ali via AutonomousVehicles"
> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 11:13 PM
> To: "autonomous Vehicles Discussion"
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> Cc: "Ali" <aliherky at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested
> and excited
> nfbmember
>
> I have high hopes for the future, but right now am too worried
> about the
> multiple crashes that have been had.
>
> Ali
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Perry via AutonomousVehicles
> <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
> To: <autonomousvehicles at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 14:59:30 -0400
> Subject: [AutonomousVehicles] hello from a very interested and
> excited
> nfbmember
>
> Hello everyone, my name is Daniel Perry and I found this list
> and
> immediately signed up because I'm extremely excited about the
> prospect of
> autonomous vehicles being a reality as well as we the totally
> blind being
> able to use them. I can't wait to own one as soon as they're
> afordable
> enough for your average blind person to purchase and own. I'll
> be very
> excited to see how Waymo progresses after its launch later on
> this year.
> What's the latest in our efforts to make these vehicles
> accessible to the
> blind? have a wonderful day and I look forward to hearing from
> you soon.
>
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