[Blind-rollers] new wheelchair user

[Heather]

Thank you  I will tell them the subscribe address. Cheers Heather 

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From: David Andrews via Blind-Rollers
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 6:12 PM
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At 03:09 PM 8/5/2018, you wrote:
>Hello, is their a subscribe address to this 
>list? I wanted to invite my friends to the list. 
>They are deaf-blind and use wheelchairs. Thanks, 
>cheers Heather "Blindness is a characteristic, 
>not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan e-mail: 
>kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: National Federation of 
>The Blind: www.nfb.org An Accessible Online 
>Library: www.bookshare.org From: Becky 
>Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers Sent: Sunday, 
>August 5, 2018 11:41 AM To: 'Blind wheelchair 
>users list' Cc: Becky Frankeberger Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] new wheelchair user Yes, please 
>bring others in the group. We have all kind of 
>varied disabilities. We can definitely learn 
>from each other. In fact the mod Laura died some 
>time ago. David is moderating this list. Laura 
>Eaves thank you for envisioning this list. Rest 
>dear lady as it is in safe hands. 
>Becky  -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of ken lawrence via Blind-Rollers 
>Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2018 9:01 AM To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org Cc: ken lawrence 
><kenlawrence124 at aol.com> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] new wheelchair 
>user                Hi list, ken here.  I have 
>promoted the cerebral palsy group here before 
>and the announcement about it ran in the monitor 
>again in the july issue. I didn’t call into it 
>yesterday, I forgot, and I’m not sure Saturday 
>3:00 P.M. is a good time for it. But in the past 
>nobody including the person who is trying to 
>start it has shown up. I think this is why. By 
>confining it to just people who are blind and 
>who have cerebral palsy alex is hurting the 
>cause. Also he’s not doing in advance what 
>someone running a conference call should 
>do.  I’m going to take this up with my state 
>president and bring this thread to his 
>attention. This is the kind of issue the 
>proposed cerebral palsy group could address.  I 
>have alex’s number but never can seem to reach 
>him.  As a wheelchair user myself although I 
>only use the one I have for emergency uses or 
>uses like at a convention where walking would be 
>too much and the need to get places fast is an 
>issue, and am not a power chair user, it is 
>important.  So watch this list will post when I 
>get any info.  Sent from Mail for Windows 10 
>From: blind-rollers-request at nfbnet.org Sent: 
>Sunday, August 5, 2018 8:01 AM To: 
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>user (Becky Frankeberger)    4. Re: knew 
>wheelchair user (Treva Olivero)    5. Re: knew 
>wheelchair user (Heather)    6. Re: knew 
>wheelchair user (Treva Olivero)    7. Re: knew 
>wheelchair user (Heather)    8. Re: knew 
>wheelchair user (Becky Frankeberger) 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>Message: 1 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 09:39:02 -0700 
>From: "Becky Frankeberger" 
><b.butterfly at comcast.net> To: "'Blind wheelchair 
>users list'" <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: 
>Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user 
>Message-ID: 
><003a01d42c11$a7bfd460$f73f7d20$@comcast.net> 
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="utf-8" 
>Do they need a dog and pony show. Tell them to 
>slowly push you in the manual and they have to 
>stop or turn as you command. Men hate this part, 
>snort. You won't be perfect and they shouldn't 
>expect you to be perfect as fully sighted have 
>rolled over people's toes, knocked over displays 
>etc and they know this is true. If the cane is 
>to heavy or whatever there is a frame made of 
>PVC pipe with two wheels you just push ahead of 
>you. You have choices on what works best with 
>you. The doctor should know there is a very low 
>speed the power chair can be set on, so your 
>long cane can know what is around you and react 
>before you knock over a display. If you have a 
>male PCA helping you to the bathroom, men are so 
>much nicer then women and will let you in the 
>men's room. Found this out when my husband was 
>helping me and we were out, if no family 
>bathrooms are readily available.  Go back to 
>that same practice and get an appointment with 
>the P.A. or Nurse Practitioner working with that 
>same doctor and do the dog and pony show in the 
>building. That is BS we have to keep educating, 
>but that is reality for the blind. Also, there 
>are vibrating devices that augment the cane for 
>when we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    Hi I am Becky, I am 
>in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. 
>Becky      -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Heather via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Friday, August 03, 2018 3:43 PM To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> Subject: [Blind-rollers] knew 
>wheelchair user Hello, I am glad I found this 
>list, my friend told me about it because, my 
>rehab specialist and both my neurologists want 
>me to use a wheelchair because of my MS! I have 
>a manual chair as a friend gave it to me to use 
>till I get my chair. So I think they said I need 
>a group 2 power chair. However, the places I 
>have come in contact with do not think it was 
>practical for a blind person to use a power 
>chair and they gave me what the thought I neded 
>instead of following my doctor?s script. So I 
>already had to contact my insureance so they, 
>the wheelchair company could come and take the 
>chair back. Now I am trying this again with a 
>different doctor as my other doctor will not 
>rewrite the script again, I guess three times 
>was to much! And that particular company gave 
>them such a hard time. Any advice to know where 
>to go to see these power chairs. I went to two 
>places but, they would not show me anything when 
>I said I was just looking and the other said my 
>insureance will never give me a power chair 
>because I am blind. My friends already have 
>chairs and she showed me how to use my cane and 
>the chair at the same time. She had a smart 
>drive she is using till she gets her power 
>chair. The smart drive is just not safe, it 
>threw her on the street and her sister was 
>thrown in to a brick wall as the chair did not 
>stop fast enough. SO actually we are looking for 
>power chairs as we do not have the mussle 
>strength to push ourselves with a manual! It 
>think it was pure luck to meet my friends and we 
>all have similar conditions and take some of the 
>same meds too! Any advice on on power group 2 
>chairs? Thank you, "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan e-mail: kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: 
>National Federation of The Blind: www.nfb.org An 
>Accessible Online Library: www.bookshare.org 
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>------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: 
>Sat, 4 Aug 2018 11:52:25 -0700 From: "Lauren 
>Merryfield" <lauren at catlines.com> To: "'Blind 
>wheelchair users list'" 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Message-ID: 
><026d01d42c24$49942f40$dcbc8dc0$@catlines.com> 
>Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="utf-8" 
>Hi, What is a group 2 chair? I tried a power 
>chair last year but it went too fast for me even 
>when they slowed it down. I wonder if there is a 
>certain type that would be better. I am using a 
>manual chair or a walker now. The walker isn't 
>too bad if it hits something because the part 
>that comes in contact with things is padded. I 
>never did learn how to use a cane with the power 
>chair. I about broke my cane trying. Nobody I 
>know wants to see a blind person in a power 
>chair; way too much fear around it. Thanks, 
>Lauren Blessings in Jesus? name! "This is my 
>command--be strong and courageous! Do not be 
>afraid or discouraged. For the LORD your God is 
>with you wherever you go." Joshua 1:9 My 
>evangelism blog is at ask in jesus name . org 
>Visit us at catlines . com with our store coming 
>soon.  (remove the spaces.) Advice from my 
>cats:?Meow when you feel like it.? -----Original 
>Message----- From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:39 AM To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Cc: Becky 
>Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> Subject: 
>Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Do they 
>need a dog and pony show. Tell them to slowly 
>push you in the manual and they have to stop or 
>turn as you command. Men hate this part, snort. 
>You won't be perfect and they shouldn't expect 
>you to be perfect as fully sighted have rolled 
>over people's toes, knocked over displays etc 
>and they know this is true. If the cane is to 
>heavy or whatever there is a frame made of PVC 
>pipe with two wheels you just push ahead of you. 
>You have choices on what works best with you. 
>The doctor should know there is a very low speed 
>the power chair can be set on, so your long cane 
>can know what is around you and react before you 
>knock over a display. If you have a male PCA 
>helping you to the bathroom, men are so much 
>nicer then women and will let you in the men's 
>room. Found this out when my husband was helping 
>me and we were out, if no family bathrooms are 
>readily available.  Go back to that same 
>practice and get an appointment with the P.A. or 
>Nurse Practitioner working with that same doctor 
>and do the dog and pony show in the building. 
>That is BS we have to keep educating, but that 
>is reality for the blind. Also, there are 
>vibrating devices that augment the cane for when 
>we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    Hi I am Becky, I am 
>in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. 
>Becky      -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Heather via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Friday, August 03, 2018 3:43 PM To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> Subject: [Blind-rollers] knew 
>wheelchair user Hello, I am glad I found this 
>list, my friend told me about it because, my 
>rehab specialist and both my neurologists want 
>me to use a wheelchair because of my MS! I have 
>a manual chair as a friend gave it to me to use 
>till I get my chair. So I think they said I need 
>a group 2 power chair. However, the places I 
>have come in contact with do not think it was 
>practical for a blind person to use a power 
>chair and they gave me what the thought I neded 
>instead of following my doctor?s script. So I 
>already had to contact my insureance so they, 
>the wheelchair company could come and take the 
>chair back. Now I am trying this again with a 
>different doctor as my other doctor will not 
>rewrite the script again, I guess three times 
>was to much! And that particular company gave 
>them such a hard time. Any advice to know where 
>to go to see these power chairs. I went to two 
>places but, they would not show me anything when 
>I said I was just looking and the other said my 
>insureance will never give me a power chair 
>because I am blind. My friends already have 
>chairs and she showed me how to use my cane and 
>the chair at the same time. She had a smart 
>drive she is using till she gets her power 
>chair. The smart drive is just not safe, it 
>threw her on the street and her sister was 
>thrown in to a brick wall as the chair did not 
>stop fast enough. SO actually we are looking for 
>power chairs as we do not have the mussle 
>strength to push ourselves with a manual! It 
>think it was pure luck to meet my friends and we 
>all have similar conditions and take some of the 
>same meds too! Any advice on on power group 2 
>chairs? Thank you, "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan e-mail: kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: 
>National Federation of The Blind: www.nfb.org An 
>Accessible Online Library: www.bookshare.org 
>_______________________________________________ 
>Blind-Rollers mailing list 
>Blind-Rollers at nfbnet.org 
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>------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: 
>Sat, 4 Aug 2018 12:12:59 -0700 From: "Becky 
>Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net> To: 
>"'Blind wheelchair users list'" 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Message-ID: 
><004701d42c27$28f46900$7add3b00$@comcast.net> 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
>Lauren, question. How were you when walking as a 
>cane user. Wer you all over the sidewalk or 
>could you pretty much keep a straight line. True 
>I don't know either what a group 2 chair is. 
>Becky -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Lauren Merryfield via Blind-Rollers 
>Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 11:52 AM To: 
>'Blind wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Cc: Lauren Merryfield 
><lauren at catlines.com> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Hi, What is 
>a group 2 chair? I tried a power chair last year 
>but it went too fast for me even when they 
>slowed it down. I wonder if there is a certain 
>type that would be better. I am using a manual 
>chair or a walker now. The walker isn't too bad 
>if it hits something because the part that comes 
>in contact with things is padded. I never did 
>learn how to use a cane with the power chair. I 
>about broke my cane trying. Nobody I know wants 
>to see a blind person in a power chair; way too 
>much fear around it. Thanks, Lauren Blessings in 
>Jesus? name! "This is my command--be strong and 
>courageous! Do not be afraid or discouraged. For 
>the LORD your God is with you wherever you go." 
>Joshua 1:9 My evangelism blog is at ask in jesus 
>name . org Visit us at catlines . com with our 
>store coming soon.  (remove the spaces.) Advice 
>from my cats:?Meow when you feel like it.? 
>-----Original Message----- From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:39 AM To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Cc: Becky 
>Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> Subject: 
>Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Do they 
>need a dog and pony show. Tell them to slowly 
>push you in the manual and they have to stop or 
>turn as you command. Men hate this part, snort. 
>You won't be perfect and they shouldn't expect 
>you to be perfect as fully sighted have rolled 
>over people's toes, knocked over displays etc 
>and they know this is true. If the cane is to 
>heavy or whatever there is a frame made of PVC 
>pipe with two wheels you just push ahead of you. 
>You have choices on what works best with you. 
>The doctor should know there is a very low speed 
>the power chair can be set on, so your long cane 
>can know what is around you and react before you 
>knock over a display. If you have a male PCA 
>helping you to the bathroom, men are so much 
>nicer then women and will let you in the men's 
>room. Found this out when my husband was helping 
>me and we were out, if no family bathrooms are 
>readily available.  Go back to that same 
>practice and get an appointment with the P.A. or 
>Nurse Practitioner working with that same doctor 
>and do the dog and pony show in the building. 
>That is BS we have to keep educating, but that 
>is reality for the blind. Also, there are 
>vibrating devices that augment the cane for when 
>we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    Hi I am Becky, I am 
>in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. 
>Becky      -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Heather via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Friday, August 03, 2018 3:43 PM To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> Subject: [Blind-rollers] knew 
>wheelchair user Hello, I am glad I found this 
>list, my friend told me about it because, my 
>rehab specialist and both my neurologists want 
>me to use a wheelchair because of my MS! I have 
>a manual chair as a friend gave it to me to use 
>till I get my chair. So I think they said I need 
>a group 2 power chair. However, the places I 
>have come in contact with do not think it was 
>practical for a blind person to use a power 
>chair and they gave me what the thought I neded 
>instead of following my doctor?s script. So I 
>already had to contact my insureance so they, 
>the wheelchair company could come and take the 
>chair back. Now I am trying this again with a 
>different doctor as my other doctor will not 
>rewrite the script again, I guess three times 
>was to much! And that particular company gave 
>them such a hard time. Any advice to know where 
>to go to see these power chairs. I went to two 
>places but, they would not show me anything when 
>I said I was just looking and the other said my 
>insureance will never give me a power chair 
>because I am blind. My friends already have 
>chairs and she showed me how to use my cane and 
>the chair at the same time. She had a smart 
>drive she is using till she gets her power 
>chair. The smart drive is just not safe, it 
>threw her on the street and her sister was 
>thrown in to a brick wall as the chair did not 
>stop fast enough. SO actually we are looking for 
>power chairs as we do not have the mussle 
>strength to push ourselves with a manual! It 
>think it was pure luck to meet my friends and we 
>all have similar conditions and take some of the 
>same meds too! Any advice on on power group 2 
>chairs? Thank you, "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan e-mail: kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: 
>National Federation of The Blind: www.nfb.org An 
>Accessible Online Library: www.bookshare.org 
>_______________________________________________ 
>Blind-Rollers mailing list 
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>------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: 
>Sat, 4 Aug 2018 16:10:13 -0400 From: Treva 
>Olivero <treva at olivero.us> To: Blind wheelchair 
>users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: 
>Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user 
>Message-ID: 
><7EA5E5ED-10F8-4E91-B7F0-42B01200535E at olivero.us> 
>  Content-Type: text/plain;     charset=utf-8 
>Hi, I have used a power chair and a cane, and I 
>still do occasionally. It works well. I got 
>training at the Louisiana Center for the blind 
>and using a cane with sleep shades. While I was 
>in training, I used a power chair. I have had 
>some mishaps, but when I got used to it, it was 
>fine. I started off on very slow speeds. I think 
>it?s a matter of just practicing. I think saying 
>that no one wants to see a blind person using a 
>power chair puts more fear into people. We want 
>to show others that blind people can use power 
>chairs that is our choice.  My advice for 
>getting insurance companies to pay for a power 
>chair is just to continue advocating. It is 
>discrimination if they tell you you can?t use a 
>power chair because you?re blind. Also, my 
>advice to all of you on this list is to get 
>training using a long cane. That is the way I 
>have learned how to travel independently. 
>Training builds confidence! If you need help 
>advocating, talk to your state NFB president. It 
>is so important that w e show ourselves, Other 
>blind people in wheelchairs, and other people 
>who don?t use chairs that Blindness does not 
>have to be an obstacle to travel. It takes a lot 
>of practice, a lot of work, and perseverance, 
>but we should all be able to reach a level of 
>independence with our wheelchairs. It may look a 
>little different than it does for people who are 
>blind and don?t use wheelchairs, but blindness 
>should not get in our way! Treva Sent from my 
>iPhone > On Aug 4, 2018, at 2:52 PM, Lauren 
>Merryfield via Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Hi, > What 
>is a group 2 chair? > > I tried a power chair 
>last year but it went too fast for me even when 
>they slowed it down. > I wonder if there is a 
>certain type that would be better. I am using a 
>manual chair or a walker now. The walker isn't 
>too bad if it hits something because the part 
>that comes in contact with things is padded. I 
>never did learn how to use a cane with the power 
>chair. I about broke my cane trying. Nobody I 
>know wants to see a blind person in a power 
>chair; way too much fear around it. > Thanks, > 
>Lauren > Blessings in Jesus? name! > "This is my 
>command--be strong and courageous! Do not be 
>afraid or discouraged. For the LORD your God is 
>with you wherever you go." > Joshua 1:9 > My 
>evangelism blog is at ask in jesus name . org 
>Visit us at catlines . com with our store coming 
>soon.  (remove the spaces.) Advice from my 
>cats:?Meow when you feel like it.? > > > > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers > Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:39 AM > To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Becky 
>Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> > 
>Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair 
>user > > Do they need a dog and pony show. Tell 
>them to slowly push you in the manual and they 
>have to stop or turn as you command. Men hate 
>this part, snort. You won't be perfect and they 
>shouldn't expect you to be perfect as fully 
>sighted have rolled over people's toes, knocked 
>over displays etc and they know this is 
>true. > > If the cane is to heavy or whatever 
>there is a frame made of PVC pipe with two 
>wheels you just push ahead of you. You have 
>choices on what works best with you. > > The 
>doctor should know there is a very low speed the 
>power chair can be set on, so your long cane can 
>know what is around you and react before you 
>knock over a display. > > If you have a male PCA 
>helping you to the bathroom, men are so much 
>nicer then women and will let you in the men's 
>room. Found this out when my husband was helping 
>me and we were out, if no family bathrooms are 
>readily available.  > > Go back to that same 
>practice and get an appointment with the P.A. or 
>Nurse Practitioner working with that same doctor 
>and do the dog and pony show in the building. 
>That is BS we have to keep educating, but that 
>is reality for the blind. > > Also, there are 
>vibrating devices that augment the cane for when 
>we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  > > Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. > The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. > > 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    > > Hi I am Becky, 
>I am in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. > > Becky      > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Heather via Blind-Rollers > Sent: Friday, August 
>03, 2018 3:43 PM > To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org > Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> > Subject: [Blind-rollers] 
>knew wheelchair user > > Hello, I am glad I 
>found this list, my friend told me about it 
>because, my rehab specialist and both my 
>neurologists want me to use a wheelchair because 
>of my MS! > I have a manual chair as a friend 
>gave it to me to use till I get my chair. > So I 
>think they said I need a group 2 power chair. > 
>However, the places I have come in contact with 
>do not think it was practical for a blind person 
>to use a power chair and they gave me what the 
>thought I neded instead of following my doctor?s 
>script. > So I already had to contact my 
>insureance so they, the wheelchair company could 
>come and take the chair back. > Now I am trying 
>this again with a different doctor as my other 
>doctor will not rewrite the script again, I 
>guess three times was to much! > And that 
>particular company gave them such a hard time. > 
>Any advice to know where to go to see these 
>power chairs. I went to two places but, they 
>would not show me anything when I said I was 
>just looking and the other said my insureance 
>will never give me a power chair because I am 
>blind. > My friends already have chairs and she 
>showed me how to use my cane and the chair at 
>the same time. > She had a smart drive she is 
>using till she gets her power chair. > The smart 
>drive is just not safe, it threw her on the 
>street and her sister was thrown in to a brick 
>wall as the chair did not stop fast enough. SO 
>actually we are looking for power chairs as we 
>do not have the mussle strength to push 
>ourselves with a manual! > It think it was pure 
>luck to meet my friends and we all have similar 
>conditions and take some of the same meds too! > 
>Any advice on on power group 2 chairs? > Thank 
>you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan > e-mail: > kd5cbl at gmail.com > sites: > 
>National Federation of The Blind: > 
>www.nfb.org > An Accessible Online Library: > 
>www.bookshare.org > > 
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>------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: 
>Sat, 4 Aug 2018 15:20:01 -0500 From: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> To: Blind wheelchair users 
>list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Message-ID: 
><5b660a71.1c69fb81.fb5d.2162 at mx.google.com> 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Manual 
>chairs make me depend on someone to push me 
>everywhere and that just is not practical for me 
>to go out and still do things independently! 
>Group 1 chairs are the ones you see at hospitals 
>and  stores, a basic chair with wheels and 
>attached foot holders. Sometimes they can be 
>ultra light chairs with detachable arms, foot 
>rest, seats etc. A group 2, from what I have 
>been told, is a chair that you control with ajoy 
>stick or a controler. They can come with one or 
>two batteries under the chair or the back of the 
>chair. They have lots that are all digital but, 
>I cant see as they are flat paneled. So I am 
>requesting a chair with the joy stick for the 
>controller as I do not have the arm strength to 
>push myself around. A group 3 is a 24 seven 
>chair that can be controlled by the head, by a 
>straw, it has a place for medical equipment one 
>has to carry with them. My friends showed me how 
>to use my cane and my chair as they had the 
>smart drive that was controlled by a watch. But 
>it takes longer for the chair to stop than a 
>power chair where you let go of the controls and 
>the chair comes to a complete stop. She was 
>thrown in to the street as The chair did not 
>stop andshe flipped over the curb.  Her sister 
>was run in to a brick wall because her chair did 
>not stop. So when my friends used their smart 
>drives, they would only do walking speed. It was 
>knew to them so we decided to sure line on the 
>side walks and the mall instead of going down 
>the middle. Now they are trying to get power 
>chairs because it is not safe with the smart 
>drive system. The idea is to use the controls of 
>the power chair  with one hand and use your cane 
>with the other. My question  has to be what if 
>your cane arm gets tired, can you switch? I used 
>to switch when I walked with my cane. So are 
>there any chairs that have controls on both sies 
>of the chair or can you move the panel to the 
>other side? I wanted to see if there is a power 
>chair user on the list to see if that is what 
>they do; control on one side and use their cane 
>on the other! Thanks Heather "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan e-mail: kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: 
>National Federation of The Blind: www.nfb.org An 
>Accessible Online Library: www.bookshare.org 
>From: Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 2:18 PM To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' Cc: Becky Frankeberger 
>Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair 
>user Lauren, question. How were you when walking 
>as a cane user. Wer you all over the sidewalk or 
>could you pretty much keep a straight line. True 
>I don't know either what a group 2 chair is. 
>Becky -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Lauren Merryfield via Blind-Rollers 
>Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 11:52 AM To: 
>'Blind wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Cc: Lauren Merryfield 
><lauren at catlines.com> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Hi, What is 
>a group 2 chair? I tried a power chair last year 
>but it went too fast for me even when they 
>slowed it down. I wonder if there is a certain 
>type that would be better. I am using a manual 
>chair or a walker now. The walker isn't too bad 
>if it hits something because the part that comes 
>in contact with things is padded. I never did 
>learn how to use a cane with the power chair. I 
>about broke my cane trying. Nobody I know wants 
>to see a blind person in a power chair; way too 
>much fear around it. Thanks, Lauren Blessings in 
>Jesus? name! "This is my command--be strong and 
>courageous! Do not be afraid or discouraged. For 
>the LORD your God is with you wherever you go." 
>Joshua 1:9 My evangelism blog is at ask in jesus 
>name . org Visit us at catlines . com with our 
>store coming soon.  (remove the spaces.) Advice 
>from my cats:?Meow when you feel like it.? 
>-----Original Message----- From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:39 AM To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Cc: Becky 
>Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> Subject: 
>Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Do they 
>need a dog and pony show. Tell them to slowly 
>push you in the manual and they have to stop or 
>turn as you command. Men hate this part, snort. 
>You won't be perfect and they shouldn't expect 
>you to be perfect as fully sighted have rolled 
>over people's toes, knocked over displays etc 
>and they know this is true. If the cane is to 
>heavy or whatever there is a frame made of PVC 
>pipe with two wheels you just push ahead of you. 
>You have choices on what works best with you. 
>The doctor should know there is a very low speed 
>the power chair can be set on, so your long cane 
>can know what is around you and react before you 
>knock over a display. If you have a male PCA 
>helping you to the bathroom, men are so much 
>nicer then women and will let you in the men's 
>room. Found this out when my husband was helping 
>me and we were out, if no family bathrooms are 
>readily available.  Go back to that same 
>practice and get an appointment with the P.A. or 
>Nurse Practitioner working with that same doctor 
>and do the dog and pony show in the building. 
>That is BS we have to keep educating, but that 
>is reality for the blind. Also, there are 
>vibrating devices that augment the cane for when 
>we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    Hi I am Becky, I am 
>in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. 
>Becky      -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Heather via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Friday, August 03, 2018 3:43 PM To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> Subject: [Blind-rollers] knew 
>wheelchair user Hello, I am glad I found this 
>list, my friend told me about it because, my 
>rehab specialist and both my neurologists want 
>me to use a wheelchair because of my MS! I have 
>a manual chair as a friend gave it to me to use 
>till I get my chair. So I think they said I need 
>a group 2 power chair. However, the places I 
>have come in contact with do not think it was 
>practical for a blind person to use a power 
>chair and they gave me what the thought I neded 
>instead of following my doctor?s script. So I 
>already had to contact my insureance so they, 
>the wheelchair company could come and take the 
>chair back. Now I am trying this again with a 
>different doctor as my other doctor will not 
>rewrite the script again, I guess three times 
>was to much! And that particular company gave 
>them such a hard time. Any advice to know where 
>to go to see these power chairs. I went to two 
>places but, they would not show me anything when 
>I said I was just looking and the other said my 
>insureance will never give me a power chair 
>because I am blind. My friends already have 
>chairs and she showed me how to use my cane and 
>the chair at the same time. She had a smart 
>drive she is using till she gets her power 
>chair. The smart drive is just not safe, it 
>threw her on the street and her sister was 
>thrown in to a brick wall as the chair did not 
>stop fast enough. SO actually we are looking for 
>power chairs as we do not have the mussle 
>strength to push ourselves with a manual! It 
>think it was pure luck to meet my friends and we 
>all have similar conditions and take some of the 
>same meds too! Any advice on on power group 2 
>chairs? Thank you, "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan e-mail: kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: 
>National Federation of The Blind: www.nfb.org An 
>Accessible Online Library: www.bookshare.org 
>_______________________________________________ 
>Blind-Rollers mailing list 
>Blind-Rollers at nfbnet.org 
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers_nfbnet.org 
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>------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: 
>Sat, 4 Aug 2018 16:29:44 -0400 From: Treva 
>Olivero <treva at olivero.us> To: Blind wheelchair 
>users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: 
>Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user 
>Message-ID: 
><17B7A308-0BCE-428F-B836-B189A7F46D6F at olivero.us> 
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 When I 
>use a power chair, I do not switch hands. I just 
>keep my control on the same side. I am 
>right-handed, so that is the side that I prefer 
>to use the joystick because I feel like I have 
>more control over that hand. My left arm is 
>stronger, so it makes it work well to use the 
>cane in that hand. When I am using my manual 
>chair, I do occasionally switch cane hands 
>depending on what I am doing. Also, with my 
>manual chair, I have  use of my left foot, so I 
>take off the foot rest. I tell people as long as 
>you?re pushing yourself, and as long as you can 
>make your foot move with the chair, you don?t 
>necessarily have to have a foot rest. Obviously, 
>every situation is different. Sent from my 
>iPhone > On Aug 4, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Heather via 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > Manual chairs make me depend on 
>someone to push me everywhere and that just is 
>not practical for me to go out and still do 
>things independently! > Group 1 chairs are the 
>ones you see at hospitals and  stores, a basic 
>chair with wheels and attached foot holders. 
>Sometimes they can be ultra light chairs with 
>detachable arms, foot rest, seats etc. A group 
>2, from what I have been told, is a chair that 
>you control with ajoy stick or a controler. They 
>can come with one or two batteries under the 
>chair or the back of the chair. > They have lots 
>that are all digital but, I cant see as they are 
>flat paneled. > So I am requesting a chair with 
>the joy stick for the controller as I do not 
>have the arm strength to push myself around. > A 
>group 3 is a 24 seven chair that can be 
>controlled by the head, by a straw, it has a 
>place for medical equipment one has to carry 
>with them. > My friends showed me how to use my 
>cane and my chair as they had the smart drive 
>that was controlled by a watch. > But it takes 
>longer for the chair to stop than a power chair 
>where you let go of the controls and the chair 
>comes to a complete stop. > She was thrown in to 
>the street as The chair did not stop andshe 
>flipped over the curb.  > Her sister was run in 
>to a brick wall because her chair did not 
>stop. > So when my friends used their smart 
>drives, they would only do walking speed. It was 
>knew to them so we decided to sure line on the 
>side walks and the mall instead of going down 
>the middle. > Now they are trying to get power 
>chairs because it is not safe with the smart 
>drive system. > The idea is to use the controls 
>of the power chair  with one hand and use your 
>cane with the other. > My question  has to be 
>what if your cane arm gets tired, can you 
>switch? > I used to switch when I walked with my 
>cane. > So are there any chairs that have 
>controls on both sies of the chair or can you 
>move the panel to the other side? > I wanted to 
>see if there is a power chair user on the list 
>to see if that is what they do; control on one 
>side and use their cane on the other! > Thanks 
>Heather > > > > "Blindness is a characteristic, 
>not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan > 
>e-mail: > kd5cbl at gmail.com > sites: > National 
>Federation of The Blind: > www.nfb.org > An 
>Accessible Online Library: > 
>www.bookshare.org > > From: Becky Frankeberger 
>via Blind-Rollers > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 
>2018 2:18 PM > To: 'Blind wheelchair users 
>list' > Cc: Becky Frankeberger > Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user > > Lauren, 
>question. How were you when walking as a cane 
>user. Wer you all over the sidewalk or could you 
>pretty much keep a straight line. > > True I 
>don't know either what a group 2 chair is. > 
>Becky > > -----Original Message----- > From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Lauren Merryfield via 
>Blind-Rollers > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 
>11:52 AM > To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Lauren 
>Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com> > Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user > > Hi, > 
>What is a group 2 chair? > > I tried a power 
>chair last year but it went too fast for me even 
>when they slowed it down. > I wonder if there is 
>a certain type that would be better. I am using 
>a manual chair or a walker now. The walker isn't 
>too bad if it hits something because the part 
>that comes in contact with things is padded. I 
>never did learn how to use a cane with the power 
>chair. I about broke my cane trying. Nobody I 
>know wants to see a blind person in a power 
>chair; way too much fear around it. > Thanks, > 
>Lauren > Blessings in Jesus? name! > "This is my 
>command--be strong and courageous! Do not be 
>afraid or discouraged. For the LORD your God is 
>with you wherever you go." > Joshua 1:9 > My 
>evangelism blog is at ask in jesus name . org 
>Visit us at catlines . com with our store coming 
>soon.  (remove the spaces.) Advice from my 
>cats:?Meow when you feel like it.? > > > > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers > Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:39 AM > To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Becky 
>Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> > 
>Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair 
>user > > Do they need a dog and pony show. Tell 
>them to slowly push you in the manual and they 
>have to stop or turn as you command. Men hate 
>this part, snort. You won't be perfect and they 
>shouldn't expect you to be perfect as fully 
>sighted have rolled over people's toes, knocked 
>over displays etc and they know this is 
>true. > > If the cane is to heavy or whatever 
>there is a frame made of PVC pipe with two 
>wheels you just push ahead of you. You have 
>choices on what works best with you. > > The 
>doctor should know there is a very low speed the 
>power chair can be set on, so your long cane can 
>know what is around you and react before you 
>knock over a display. > > If you have a male PCA 
>helping you to the bathroom, men are so much 
>nicer then women and will let you in the men's 
>room. Found this out when my husband was helping 
>me and we were out, if no family bathrooms are 
>readily available.  > > Go back to that same 
>practice and get an appointment with the P.A. or 
>Nurse Practitioner working with that same doctor 
>and do the dog and pony show in the building. 
>That is BS we have to keep educating, but that 
>is reality for the blind. > > Also, there are 
>vibrating devices that augment the cane for when 
>we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  > > Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. > The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. > > 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    > > Hi I am Becky, 
>I am in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. > > Becky      > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Heather via Blind-Rollers > Sent: Friday, August 
>03, 2018 3:43 PM > To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org > Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> > Subject: [Blind-rollers] 
>knew wheelchair user > > Hello, I am glad I 
>found this list, my friend told me about it 
>because, my rehab specialist and both my 
>neurologists want me to use a wheelchair because 
>of my MS! > I have a manual chair as a friend 
>gave it to me to use till I get my chair. > So I 
>think they said I need a group 2 power chair. > 
>However, the places I have come in contact with 
>do not think it was practical for a blind person 
>to use a power chair and they gave me what the 
>thought I neded instead of following my doctor?s 
>script. > So I already had to contact my 
>insureance so they, the wheelchair company could 
>come and take the chair back. > Now I am trying 
>this again with a different doctor as my other 
>doctor will not rewrite the script again, I 
>guess three times was to much! > And that 
>particular company gave them such a hard time. > 
>Any advice to know where to go to see these 
>power chairs. I went to two places but, they 
>would not show me anything when I said I was 
>just looking and the other said my insureance 
>will never give me a power chair because I am 
>blind. > My friends already have chairs and she 
>showed me how to use my cane and the chair at 
>the same time. > She had a smart drive she is 
>using till she gets her power chair. > The smart 
>drive is just not safe, it threw her on the 
>street and her sister was thrown in to a brick 
>wall as the chair did not stop fast enough. SO 
>actually we are looking for power chairs as we 
>do not have the mussle strength to push 
>ourselves with a manual! > It think it was pure 
>luck to meet my friends and we all have similar 
>conditions and take some of the same meds too! > 
>Any advice on on power group 2 chairs? > Thank 
>you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan > e-mail: > kd5cbl at gmail.com > sites: > 
>National Federation of The Blind: > 
>www.nfb.org > An Accessible Online Library: > 
>www.bookshare.org > > 
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>------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: 
>Sat, 4 Aug 2018 15:44:39 -0500 From: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> To: Blind wheelchair users 
>list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Message-ID: 
><5b661037.1c69fb81.ac4a.28bd at mx.google.com> 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
>My  multiple sclerosis can make it difficult to 
>use one side over the other. That is why I asked 
>about the control panels. I could wake up on one 
>day and find I cant use my left side and the 
>next day it will be on my right side! I have 
>lack of foot motion and one side has severe foot 
>drop! SO guide myself with my feet could be a 
>problem sometimes they do not work too! Cheers 
>Heather "Blindness is a characteristic, not a 
>handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan e-mail: 
>kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: National Federation of 
>The Blind: www.nfb.org An Accessible Online 
>Library: www.bookshare.org From: Treva Olivero 
>via Blind-Rollers Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 
>3:31 PM To: Blind wheelchair users list Cc: 
>Treva Olivero Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] knew 
>wheelchair user When I use a power chair, I do 
>not switch hands. I just keep my control on the 
>same side. I am right-handed, so that is the 
>side that I prefer to use the joystick because I 
>feel like I have more control over that hand. My 
>left arm is stronger, so it makes it work well 
>to use the cane in that hand. When I am using my 
>manual chair, I do occasionally switch cane 
>hands depending on what I am doing. Also, with 
>my manual chair, I have  use of my left foot, so 
>I take off the foot rest. I tell people as long 
>as you?re pushing yourself, and as long as you 
>can make your foot move with the chair, you 
>don?t necessarily have to have a foot rest. 
>Obviously, every situation is different. Sent 
>from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2018, at 4:20 PM, 
>Heather via Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Manual 
>chairs make me depend on someone to push me 
>everywhere and that just is not practical for me 
>to go out and still do things independently! > 
>Group 1 chairs are the ones you see at hospitals 
>and  stores, a basic chair with wheels and 
>attached foot holders. Sometimes they can be 
>ultra light chairs with detachable arms, foot 
>rest, seats etc. A group 2, from what I have 
>been told, is a chair that you control with ajoy 
>stick or a controler. They can come with one or 
>two batteries under the chair or the back of the 
>chair. > They have lots that are all digital 
>but, I cant see as they are flat paneled. > So I 
>am requesting a chair with the joy stick for the 
>controller as I do not have the arm strength to 
>push myself around. > A group 3 is a 24 seven 
>chair that can be controlled by the head, by a 
>straw, it has a place for medical equipment one 
>has to carry with them. > My friends showed me 
>how to use my cane and my chair as they had the 
>smart drive that was controlled by a watch. > 
>But it takes longer for the chair to stop than a 
>power chair where you let go of the controls and 
>the chair comes to a complete stop. > She was 
>thrown in to the street as The chair did not 
>stop andshe flipped over the curb.  > Her sister 
>was run in to a brick wall because her chair did 
>not stop. > So when my friends used their smart 
>drives, they would only do walking speed. It was 
>knew to them so we decided to sure line on the 
>side walks and the mall instead of going down 
>the middle. > Now they are trying to get power 
>chairs because it is not safe with the smart 
>drive system. > The idea is to use the controls 
>of the power chair  with one hand and use your 
>cane with the other. > My question  has to be 
>what if your cane arm gets tired, can you 
>switch? > I used to switch when I walked with my 
>cane. > So are there any chairs that have 
>controls on both sies of the chair or can you 
>move the panel to the other side? > I wanted to 
>see if there is a power chair user on the list 
>to see if that is what they do; control on one 
>side and use their cane on the other! > Thanks 
>Heather > > > > "Blindness is a characteristic, 
>not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan > 
>e-mail: > kd5cbl at gmail.com > sites: > National 
>Federation of The Blind: > www.nfb.org > An 
>Accessible Online Library: > 
>www.bookshare.org > > From: Becky Frankeberger 
>via Blind-Rollers > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 
>2018 2:18 PM > To: 'Blind wheelchair users 
>list' > Cc: Becky Frankeberger > Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user > > Lauren, 
>question. How were you when walking as a cane 
>user. Wer you all over the sidewalk or could you 
>pretty much keep a straight line. > > True I 
>don't know either what a group 2 chair is. > 
>Becky > > -----Original Message----- > From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Lauren Merryfield via 
>Blind-Rollers > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 
>11:52 AM > To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Lauren 
>Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com> > Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user > > Hi, > 
>What is a group 2 chair? > > I tried a power 
>chair last year but it went too fast for me even 
>when they slowed it down. > I wonder if there is 
>a certain type that would be better. I am using 
>a manual chair or a walker now. The walker isn't 
>too bad if it hits something because the part 
>that comes in contact with things is padded. I 
>never did learn how to use a cane with the power 
>chair. I about broke my cane trying. Nobody I 
>know wants to see a blind person in a power 
>chair; way too much fear around it. > Thanks, > 
>Lauren > Blessings in Jesus? name! > "This is my 
>command--be strong and courageous! Do not be 
>afraid or discouraged. For the LORD your God is 
>with you wherever you go." > Joshua 1:9 > My 
>evangelism blog is at ask in jesus name . org 
>Visit us at catlines . com with our store coming 
>soon.  (remove the spaces.) Advice from my 
>cats:?Meow when you feel like it.? > > > > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers > Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:39 AM > To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Becky 
>Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> > 
>Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair 
>user > > Do they need a dog and pony show. Tell 
>them to slowly push you in the manual and they 
>have to stop or turn as you command. Men hate 
>this part, snort. You won't be perfect and they 
>shouldn't expect you to be perfect as fully 
>sighted have rolled over people's toes, knocked 
>over displays etc and they know this is 
>true. > > If the cane is to heavy or whatever 
>there is a frame made of PVC pipe with two 
>wheels you just push ahead of you. You have 
>choices on what works best with you. > > The 
>doctor should know there is a very low speed the 
>power chair can be set on, so your long cane can 
>know what is around you and react before you 
>knock over a display. > > If you have a male PCA 
>helping you to the bathroom, men are so much 
>nicer then women and will let you in the men's 
>room. Found this out when my husband was helping 
>me and we were out, if no family bathrooms are 
>readily available.  > > Go back to that same 
>practice and get an appointment with the P.A. or 
>Nurse Practitioner working with that same doctor 
>and do the dog and pony show in the building. 
>That is BS we have to keep educating, but that 
>is reality for the blind. > > Also, there are 
>vibrating devices that augment the cane for when 
>we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  > > Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. > The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. > > 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    > > Hi I am Becky, 
>I am in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. > > Becky      > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Heather via Blind-Rollers > Sent: Friday, August 
>03, 2018 3:43 PM > To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org > Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> > Subject: [Blind-rollers] 
>knew wheelchair user > > Hello, I am glad I 
>found this list, my friend told me about it 
>because, my rehab specialist and both my 
>neurologists want me to use a wheelchair because 
>of my MS! > I have a manual chair as a friend 
>gave it to me to use till I get my chair. > So I 
>think they said I need a group 2 power chair. > 
>However, the places I have come in contact with 
>do not think it was practical for a blind person 
>to use a power chair and they gave me what the 
>thought I neded instead of following my doctor?s 
>script. > So I already had to contact my 
>insureance so they, the wheelchair company could 
>come and take the chair back. > Now I am trying 
>this again with a different doctor as my other 
>doctor will not rewrite the script again, I 
>guess three times was to much! > And that 
>particular company gave them such a hard time. > 
>Any advice to know where to go to see these 
>power chairs. I went to two places but, they 
>would not show me anything when I said I was 
>just looking and the other said my insureance 
>will never give me a power chair because I am 
>blind. > My friends already have chairs and she 
>showed me how to use my cane and the chair at 
>the same time. > She had a smart drive she is 
>using till she gets her power chair. > The smart 
>drive is just not safe, it threw her on the 
>street and her sister was thrown in to a brick 
>wall as the chair did not stop fast enough. SO 
>actually we are looking for power chairs as we 
>do not have the mussle strength to push 
>ourselves with a manual! > It think it was pure 
>luck to meet my friends and we all have similar 
>conditions and take some of the same meds too! > 
>Any advice on on power group 2 chairs? > Thank 
>you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan > e-mail: > kd5cbl at gmail.com > sites: > 
>National Federation of The Blind: > 
>www.nfb.org > An Accessible Online Library: > 
>www.bookshare.org > > 
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>------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: 
>Sat, 4 Aug 2018 14:35:41 -0700 From: "Becky 
>Frankeberger" <b.butterfly at comcast.net> To: 
>"'Blind wheelchair users list'" 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user Message-ID: 
><007501d42c3b$184143d0$48c3cb70$@comcast.net> 
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" So 
>maybe Heather the frame I talked about might be 
>a better choice when you use your power chair. 
>Think of the capital letter H. The bottom has 
>two wheels and across the top of the H is a 
>crossbar where yu push with one of your hands. 
>Or maybe a remote connected to the chair can be 
>attached to the frame and whatever hand moves 
>that day can control the chair and help the 
>other hand push the frame, with the vibrating 
>glasses to ad the extra safety when you can't 
>feel either hand well. Remember a PCA is 
>freedom. You decide they don't. They can add per 
>your instructions. Still you are the decision 
>maker, not them. I have to get that through my 
>husband's head as he has had a PCA very part 
>time for going on a year. He is in full hold of 
>his  faculties,  thus he decides, not the PCA. I 
>am the rest of the time his PCA. He tells me yet 
>is still shy with strangers. Men. 
>Becky  -----Original Message----- From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Heather via Blind-Rollers Sent: 
>Saturday, August 04, 2018 1:45 PM To: Blind 
>wheelchair users list <blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> 
>Cc: Heather <kd5cbl at gmail.com> Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user 
>My  multiple sclerosis can make it difficult to 
>use one side over the other. That is why I asked 
>about the control panels. I could wake up on one 
>day and find I cant use my left side and the 
>next day it will be on my right side! I have 
>lack of foot motion and one side has severe foot 
>drop! SO guide myself with my feet could be a 
>problem sometimes they do not work too! Cheers 
>Heather "Blindness is a characteristic, not a 
>handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan e-mail: 
>kd5cbl at gmail.com sites: National Federation of 
>The Blind: www.nfb.org An Accessible Online 
>Library: www.bookshare.org From: Treva Olivero 
>via Blind-Rollers Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 
>3:31 PM To: Blind wheelchair users list Cc: 
>Treva Olivero Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] knew 
>wheelchair user When I use a power chair, I do 
>not switch hands. I just keep my control on the 
>same side. I am right-handed, so that is the 
>side that I prefer to use the joystick because I 
>feel like I have more control over that hand. My 
>left arm is stronger, so it makes it work well 
>to use the cane in that hand. When I am using my 
>manual chair, I do occasionally switch cane 
>hands depending on what I am doing. Also, with 
>my manual chair, I have  use of my left foot, so 
>I take off the foot rest. I tell people as long 
>as you?re pushing yourself, and as long as you 
>can make your foot move with the chair, you 
>don?t necessarily have to have a foot rest. 
>Obviously, every situation is different. Sent 
>from my iPhone > On Aug 4, 2018, at 4:20 PM, 
>Heather via Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Manual 
>chairs make me depend on someone to push me 
>everywhere and that just is not practical for me 
>to go out and still do things independently! > 
>Group 1 chairs are the ones you see at hospitals 
>and  stores, a basic chair with wheels and 
>attached foot holders. Sometimes they can be 
>ultra light chairs with detachable arms, foot 
>rest, seats etc. A group 2, from what I have 
>been told, is a chair that you control with ajoy 
>stick or a controler. They can come with one or 
>two batteries under the chair or the back of the 
>chair. > They have lots that are all digital 
>but, I cant see as they are flat paneled. > So I 
>am requesting a chair with the joy stick for the 
>controller as I do not have the arm strength to 
>push myself around. > A group 3 is a 24 seven 
>chair that can be controlled by the head, by a 
>straw, it has a place for medical equipment one 
>has to carry with them. > My friends showed me 
>how to use my cane and my chair as they had the 
>smart drive that was controlled by a watch. > 
>But it takes longer for the chair to stop than a 
>power chair where you let go of the controls and 
>the chair comes to a complete stop. > She was 
>thrown in to the street as The chair did not 
>stop andshe flipped over the curb.  > Her sister 
>was run in to a brick wall because her chair did 
>not stop. > So when my friends used their smart 
>drives, they would only do walking speed. It was 
>knew to them so we decided to sure line on the 
>side walks and the mall instead of going down 
>the middle. > Now they are trying to get power 
>chairs because it is not safe with the smart 
>drive system. > The idea is to use the controls 
>of the power chair  with one hand and use your 
>cane with the other. > My question  has to be 
>what if your cane arm gets tired, can you 
>switch? > I used to switch when I walked with my 
>cane. > So are there any chairs that have 
>controls on both sies of the chair or can you 
>move the panel to the other side? > I wanted to 
>see if there is a power chair user on the list 
>to see if that is what they do; control on one 
>side and use their cane on the other! > Thanks 
>Heather > > > > "Blindness is a characteristic, 
>not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan > 
>e-mail: > kd5cbl at gmail.com > sites: > National 
>Federation of The Blind: > www.nfb.org > An 
>Accessible Online Library: > 
>www.bookshare.org > > From: Becky Frankeberger 
>via Blind-Rollers > Sent: Saturday, August 4, 
>2018 2:18 PM > To: 'Blind wheelchair users 
>list' > Cc: Becky Frankeberger > Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user > > Lauren, 
>question. How were you when walking as a cane 
>user. Wer you all over the sidewalk or could you 
>pretty much keep a straight line. > > True I 
>don't know either what a group 2 chair is. > 
>Becky > > -----Original Message----- > From: 
>Blind-Rollers <blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> 
>On Behalf Of Lauren Merryfield via 
>Blind-Rollers > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 
>11:52 AM > To: 'Blind wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Lauren 
>Merryfield <lauren at catlines.com> > Subject: Re: 
>[Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair user > > Hi, > 
>What is a group 2 chair? > > I tried a power 
>chair last year but it went too fast for me even 
>when they slowed it down. > I wonder if there is 
>a certain type that would be better. I am using 
>a manual chair or a walker now. The walker isn't 
>too bad if it hits something because the part 
>that comes in contact with things is padded. I 
>never did learn how to use a cane with the power 
>chair. I about broke my cane trying. Nobody I 
>know wants to see a blind person in a power 
>chair; way too much fear around it. > Thanks, > 
>Lauren > Blessings in Jesus? name! > "This is my 
>command--be strong and courageous! Do not be 
>afraid or discouraged. For the LORD your God is 
>with you wherever you go." > Joshua 1:9 > My 
>evangelism blog is at ask in jesus name . org 
>Visit us at catlines . com with our store coming 
>soon.  (remove the spaces.) Advice from my 
>cats:?Meow when you feel like it.? > > > > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Becky Frankeberger via Blind-Rollers > Sent: 
>Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:39 AM > To: 'Blind 
>wheelchair users list' 
><blind-rollers at nfbnet.org> > Cc: Becky 
>Frankeberger <b.butterfly at comcast.net> > 
>Subject: Re: [Blind-rollers] knew wheelchair 
>user > > Do they need a dog and pony show. Tell 
>them to slowly push you in the manual and they 
>have to stop or turn as you command. Men hate 
>this part, snort. You won't be perfect and they 
>shouldn't expect you to be perfect as fully 
>sighted have rolled over people's toes, knocked 
>over displays etc and they know this is 
>true. > > If the cane is to heavy or whatever 
>there is a frame made of PVC pipe with two 
>wheels you just push ahead of you. You have 
>choices on what works best with you. > > The 
>doctor should know there is a very low speed the 
>power chair can be set on, so your long cane can 
>know what is around you and react before you 
>knock over a display. > > If you have a male PCA 
>helping you to the bathroom, men are so much 
>nicer then women and will let you in the men's 
>room. Found this out when my husband was helping 
>me and we were out, if no family bathrooms are 
>readily available.  > > Go back to that same 
>practice and get an appointment with the P.A. or 
>Nurse Practitioner working with that same doctor 
>and do the dog and pony show in the building. 
>That is BS we have to keep educating, but that 
>is reality for the blind. > > Also, there are 
>vibrating devices that augment the cane for when 
>we get to close to something and the cane 
>doesn't pick it up. There are Glasses that 
>vibrate. Something called a Buzz Clip, and Mini 
>Guide when you get rick enough to afford that 
>one the Mini one. The glasses and the Buzz clip 
>are over a hundred dollars. The Mini is like 
>three four hundred.  > > Also if you are a rehab 
>client they can advocate with you that there is 
>indeed other blind in power chairs that get 
>around well especially in familiar areas in a 
>power chair. > The Center for Independent Living 
>is also there for you if you are not currently a 
>rehab customer. They will advocate with you. > > 
>There are pluses and minuses with power chairs 
>if you plan to go in say a car. You will need a 
>manual chair. Is your home turning radius wide 
>enough for a power chair.    > > Hi I am Becky, 
>I am in and out of a manual. Now I am in as I 
>ruptured my Achilles Tendon. Naturally I just 
>healed from foot surgery on the other foot, and 
>that healed foot is taking all the punishment. 
>Scares me to tell you the truth, as I also have 
>a bad shoulder and she is taking a lot of 
>punishment from the manual chair. My house can't 
>handle a full out power chair. I did see several 
>power chairs that have the motor under the seat. 
>That is the only kind I could use in this home. 
>We remodeled in case, for a manual wheelchair. I 
>have a bone disorder called Osteogenesis 
>Imperfecta. With this being in and out of a 
>wheelchair is pretty normal. > > Becky      > 
>-----Original Message----- > From: Blind-Rollers 
><blind-rollers-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of 
>Heather via Blind-Rollers > Sent: Friday, August 
>03, 2018 3:43 PM > To: 
>blind-rollers at nfbnet.org > Cc: Heather 
><kd5cbl at gmail.com> > Subject: [Blind-rollers] 
>knew wheelchair user > > Hello, I am glad I 
>found this list, my friend told me about it 
>because, my rehab specialist and both my 
>neurologists want me to use a wheelchair because 
>of my MS! > I have a manual chair as a friend 
>gave it to me to use till I get my chair. > So I 
>think they said I need a group 2 power chair. > 
>However, the places I have come in contact with 
>do not think it was practical for a blind person 
>to use a power chair and they gave me what the 
>thought I neded instead of following my doctor?s 
>script. > So I already had to contact my 
>insureance so they, the wheelchair company could 
>come and take the chair back. > Now I am trying 
>this again with a different doctor as my other 
>doctor will not rewrite the script again, I 
>guess three times was to much! > And that 
>particular company gave them such a hard time. > 
>Any advice to know where to go to see these 
>power chairs. I went to two places but, they 
>would not show me anything when I said I was 
>just looking and the other said my insureance 
>will never give me a power chair because I am 
>blind. > My friends already have chairs and she 
>showed me how to use my cane and the chair at 
>the same time. > She had a smart drive she is 
>using till she gets her power chair. > The smart 
>drive is just not safe, it threw her on the 
>street and her sister was thrown in to a brick 
>wall as the chair did not stop fast enough. SO 
>actually we are looking for power chairs as we 
>do not have the mussle strength to push 
>ourselves with a manual! > It think it was pure 
>luck to meet my friends and we all have similar 
>conditions and take some of the same meds too! > 
>Any advice on on power group 2 chairs? > Thank 
>you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Blindness is a 
>characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth 
>Jernigan > e-mail: > kd5cbl at gmail.com > sites: > 
>National Federation of The Blind: > 
>www.nfb.org > An Accessible Online Library: > 
>www.bookshare.org > > 
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