[blindkid] never stands still

Brandy W branlw at sbcglobal.net
Sun Jun 13 13:36:37 UTC 2010


Hi,
Sorry if I wasn't clear with my response. I very very much agree with the
type of activities he provides for his daughter, but up to 4 or more hours
jumping seems a bit much. Other activities should be developed, but after
reading his other posts I see he does these other things. It also sounds
that his daughter is able to be appropriate when it is necessary. I think
the aspect of my message I didn't make clear is the progression. Provide the
age appropriate activity so the inappropriate behavior doesn't begin, and
then change the activity as the child grows. In a few years jumping 4 hours
a day is not exactly what another 10 year old would do. Yes jumping with 
friends
or for small bits for energy sure, but for the long run encouraging the
running on the treadmill he has said she loves is an activity she can take 
on
into adult life. Learning to run on the treadmill may be able to translate 
to running on a track team, swimming lessons may translate in to being on 
the swim team, and even Gymnastics can be a sport when can do well as a 
blind individual. These are activities that can travel well past school and 
into community teams. As a young child a child needs to know when I feel 
like I need to spin or jump I am allowed to go do what ever the family has 
decided to be OK, but as the child grows they more need to schedule it into 
their day instead of being so spiratic. If a child has a friend over and 
suddenly decides they need to go bounce this would not be socially 
appropriate unless the friend would also like to jump or spin. I'm just 
trying to express the importance for keeping the activities age appropriate 
and socially appropriate, and the best way to do this is to always be 
thinking of the next step in a child's development.

As for the being rude, never meant anyone was letting their child be rude,
but making sure one isn't excusing the behavior of spinning while being
spoken to as well she needs that extra movement. As if a child isn't
explained this young as in you may go spin on your bored after we finish
talking you get kids like a child I went to school with who spin in the
middle of a class presentation and had never been told this was wrong.

I like he insists she continues to develop age appropriate social skills and 
not excusing the additional movement during times that it would not be O.K. 
for his other children.

Prepping is also good. We are about to go on a long car ride so why don't 
you go jump for a while. Then the adult can feel comfortable not allowing 
flapping, rocking eye rubbing o any other unacceptable behavior on the car 
trip. Seems harsh, but there are simply times when all children and adults 
don't get to express that energy. As I've said before I still need a lot of 
movement! I walk, swim, stretch, sit on a ball instead of a chair (in my own 
home.) but when I travel I don't always get those needs met, and let me say 
it isn't easy, but the learning curve as an adult has been rough. I 
definitely see the awful behaviors try to come back during stressful times, 
or times when I'm sick, or otherwise can't get the extra imput. I agree it 
is something to do with us not getting the visual imput, and not being to 
easily get the same activities so readily as others. I love riding bikes, 
but can't do it often, and o to go have a good run when I'm upset, but it 
takes so much more coordination in schedules than being able to go do it.
This is why I stress the change in availability and options as a child ages.

Hope this helps and makes more since. I'm passionate about this because I 
have struggled my whole life with this stuff, and wish people would have 
done this for myself. I also tutor and baby-sit for a living, and I can't 
even begin to tell you the outlandish behaviors I see in children of all 
ages that weren't stopped because parent's just excused it.

Bran


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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marie" <empwrn at bellsouth.net>
To: "Blindkid email" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [blindkid] never stands still


> Thank you Brandy for your adult perspective and the reminder to think 10
> years ahead! I try to always think that way but it is easy to get lost in
> the immediate.
>
> I don't think Richard and I were advocating allowing a child to be rude.
> Our responses were directed at meeting the need just as you would with a
> sighted child with sensory issues. Meet the need for the extra sensory
> input at times when the child is NOT in a wiggle free situation so that
> the child is able to be centered and wiggle free when they need to.
>
> All the swinging, bouncing, rocking (in a rocker) etc. that Jack does is
> done in a developmentally appropriate way during playtime/freetime.
>
> Just wanted to clarify. You can meet the need without allowing your child
> to be rude or out of control. In fact, meeting the need can help your
> child be more in control.
>
> Marie (mother of Jack born May 2005)
> See glimpses of life with my determined son who is developing in his own
> way at his own time at http://allaccesspasstojack.blogspot.com
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Brandy W" <branlw at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: The, 10 Jun 2010 20:04:32
> To: NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,\(for parents of blind
> children\)<blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] never stands still
>
> Hi, OK as an adult I still wriggle and move all over the place. The
> important skill to be learned is when and where it is OK to be moving. To
> have the will power or self monitor  to stand still when you are speaking
> to
> someone for example. I am very pro giving the child opportunities for
> movement, but by 7 or 8 and honestly younger the child needs to be taught
> that not everyone starts spinning while having a conversation. I bit of
> restlessness is one thing, but constant moving is another. I had and in
> some
> cases still have some small habits that no one dealt with as a child, and
> boy do I wish they had. For being still what seems to have worked is
> someone
> firmly putting their hand on my shoulder and just applying pressure for
> about 10 seconds. It gets my attention with out drawing attention to me,
> and
> helps me come back to focus. If I notice I've needed too much support I
> usually excuse myself and take a quick walk to get it out. It is great
> that
> she has the place to jump, but soon it won't be appropriate to say "Excuse
> me I need to go bounce now." Always think 10 years down the road. Do I
> want
> my child to need this in 10 years? if the answer is no start thinking of
> alternatives. For now the jumping is great, but in just a few short years
> she will be a preteen and running, weight lifting, swimming as you already
> do are more typical outlets. For those of you with very young children
> third
> grade or younger try a spin bored if you can't get your hands on a
> trampoline. The suggestions here have been wonderful, but we always need
> to
> be thinking ahead. For example I was never much of a rocker, but when I
> became sick and was in bed a lot, (Not my normal busy activity.) I began
> rocking. We recognized I had started this out of the blue and tolerated it
> semi when I was very sick. Now if I'm sick and need motion I try to rock
> in
> a rocking chair like a normal adult. Now these are suggestions on how to
> help the need, but the the question was how to stop the behavior. Well If
> your sighted child jumped or spun out of control or all the time you would
> firmly tell the child enough and insist they stop, and if the didn't your
> consequence method for your house would kick in. Same for blind child.
> Just
> as you don't allow your blind child to hit, be rude etc. you don't allow
> them to do socially inappropriate things. It feels harsh to say and to
> read,
> but it is a behavior that needs to go and there for in a loving but firm
> manner the child needs to be taught it won't be tolerated. Please take my
> word for it, as I speak from experience. Not finding out that people think
> it is strange for you to wriggle every where till you are an adult is
> scary
> and upsetting and one feels betrayed. excusing a child's rude behavior
> didn't stop the rudeness so excusing a child's strange behavior won't stop
> it. It is unexceptable and needs to be dealt s such. So how do you stop
> it?
> You stop it like you would any other behavior you don't want, and when
> appropriate you find the child an outlet for the need like the jumping,
> spinning on a spin bored, rocking in a chair, squeezing silly putty etc.
>
> It is wonderful to read all you parents of young children asking now and
> not
> when they are 12.
>
> Bran
>
> "Families that play together learn together!"
> Brandy Wojcik
> Discovery Toys Educational Leader
> Check out our new spring line perfect for spring time learning and Easter
> baskets and more...
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> (512) 689-5045
>
> Discovery Toys wants to be a part of your family's learning success and
> here
> are a few ways we can help:
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> * Host a fun get together with friends and earn free Educational products,
> * Purchase award winning educational materials on my webpage,
> * Purchase or get free gift baskets for children of all ages
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Richard Holloway" <rholloway at gopbc.org>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)"
> <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindkid] never stands still
>
>
>> Our 7-year-old still does that occasionally and has done it since she
>> was
>> probably 2. I used to try to tell her to stop but we had far  better
>> results long term when we redirected her to something else.  Then once we
>> started offering her more and more movement alternatives  the problem
>> decreased greatly. If she's spinning a lot at home now,  we'll usually
>> ask
>> if she needs to go and jump. Generally, she'll stop  spinning with the
>> question and walk straight to her trampoline.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:26 PM, L wrote:
>>
>>> My daughter does the same thing, she is 3.  SHe will spin in circles
>>> and
>>> makes me dizzy.  We have just told her, stop spinning, most of  the time
>>> she does.  But even while spinning she is holding her  favorite sensory
>>> toy, so I am not sure what to do either!  Thanks  for the question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Marie <empwrn at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: Blindkid email <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thu, June 10, 2010 12:42:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] never stands still
>>>
>>> I'm no expert on this but I'm wondering if she is filling a sensory
>>> need
>>> by this constant motion. Does she stop moving when you are  talking with
>>> her or she is otherwise engaged? Perhaps providing her  with other ways
>>> to gain sensory input would help.
>>>
>>> Marie (mother of Jack born May 2005)
>>> See glimpses of life with my determined son who is developing in his
>>> own
>>> way at his own time at http://allaccesspasstojack.blogspot.com
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kathy B <burgawicki at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:18:43
>>> To: <BVI-Parents at yahoogroups.com>; <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [blindkid] never stands still
>>>
>>> Hi All-
>>>
>>> My daughter (4), totally blind, has a real hard time holding still.
>>> She
>>> is constantly in motion by fidgeting, wiggling, bouncing, etc.   She
>>> doesn't do a whole lot of rocking but she does need motion.  How  do I
>>> get her to stop.
>>>
>>> Please help!
>>>
>>> Oh, the swimming lessons are going great!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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