[blindkid] PE in middle school

Fri Mar 15 01:48:52 UTC 2013

I think it's completely reasonable for you to advocate whatever P.E.
program or substitute program you think would most benefit your
daughter's education. You have a right to do that as her mom. As I
mentioned, many blind kids in Arizona, where I grew up, had their P.E.
replaced with individualized P.E. programs. I don't think that should
always be what's done, but it seems to be a common thing for kids who
are just blind, so the fact your daughter has another
disability/medical condition just strengthens your argument.
Arielle

On 3/13/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> She's about 5'5" and weighs about 70lbs. She's a tall skinny thing and eats
> like a man. Eat full meals and has about 4 snacks a day that are
> practically a meal in itself. As of now her Dr's think that her erratic
> blood pressure has contributed to speeding up her metabolism. So she burns
> off everything before she can process it. She's always fidgeting, always
> moving, etc. So she tires easily. And she won't say anything till moments
> before she passes out. So she feels it coming on.
> I just hope I don't sound like a crazy over protective mom showing up to
> the IEP with what the team might think are unreasonable requests. I
> wouldn't mind her PE class to become O&M or some kind of PT. It will take
> up 45 min of each school day.
> On Mar 13, 2013 10:29 PM, "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you can get OT through the school, but others can chime in on
>> that. I'm thinking spending the P.E. time doing things like practicing
>> turning keys, or tying laces or putting things over her head, things
>> like that; nothing strenuous. I don't think her weight should prevent
>> her from building those kinds of skills. How much does she weigh?
>> You'd want to discuss with her dr. but I wouldn't think sitting-down
>> kinds of activities like the ones I suggested would set off a
>> vasovagal attack, and she could always stop and take a break if she
>> gets frustrated.
>>
>> On 3/13/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Should we seek that with the school, or through her Dr?  Her Dr wants
>> > her
>> > to gain some weight before we try anything. She has another illness
>> called
>> > vaso-vagal. She has random drops in blood pressure and then passes out.
>> > I've been fortunate to be right next to her during these episodes to
>> where
>> > I hold her and she never falls or hits anything. But if it's not one
>> thing,
>> > it's another.
>> > On Mar 13, 2013 10:15 PM, "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ugh I was afraid of that. Some APE teachers are wonderful and others
>> >> are just.....Well not so wonderful when it comes to understanding
>> >> blindness. :)
>> >> Wondering if you could get the PE replaced with occupational or
>> >> physical therapy to help tackle some of the fine/gross motor issues?
>> >> Have these therapies been helpful in the past?
>> >> Arielle
>> >>
>> >> On 3/13/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > She's been under the 2% tile her whole life. I'm now using a protein
>> >> weight
>> >> > gainer in hopes it will add a few pounds and that will help ease
>> >> > other
>> >> > problems.
>> >> > On Mar 13, 2013 10:01 PM, "Julie Yanez" <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I have seen very little improvement with her APE. I see her come
>> >> >> further
>> >> >> with her OM on her independent skills. But then again the past 2
>> years
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> been hard with a new blood pressure illness and also puberty.
>> >> >> Hasn't
>> >> been
>> >> >> easy. They have been doing tedious things like having her walk the
>> >> >> track
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> do sit ups. Her IEP goal from her APE was to be able to throw a
>> >> >> ball
>> >> over
>> >> >> hand at a target.
>> >> >> ....I hope they know she can't see the target. I don't believe they
>> >> >> have
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> beeping ball to be able to know where the ball went. I know she has
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> basketball with a bell in it, and a beepball. Now that I'm thinking
>> >> about
>> >> >> it, I'm not sure APE has been any help at all aside from not having
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> >> singled out with her classmates.
>> >> >> On Mar 13, 2013 9:53 PM, "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Julie,
>> >> >>> It sounds completely reasonable to say on her IEP that she will be
>> >> >>> pulled for one-on-one during the PE period instead of going to the
>> PE
>> >> >>> class. If she's pulled out, she won't have to dress out at all.
>> >> >>> I think the bigger issue is, Do you like her APE teacher and do
>> >> >>> you
>> >> >>> think pulling her out to work with the APE teacher would be a good
>> >> >>> thing? What kinds of things could they work on together? What
>> >> >>> kinds
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> things have they been working on over the past two years? You can
>> >> >>> build on that when developing the IEP goals for next year and
>> beyond.
>> >> >>> Arielle
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 3/13/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> > She has had an APE teacher for 2 years now. My daughter is a
>> bright
>> >> >>> kiddo,
>> >> >>> > but we know where she falls behind. She is in 5th grade but
>> >> >>> > mainstreamed
>> >> >>> > into 3rd grade language arts and math. She has a memory like an
>> >> >>> > elephant
>> >> >>> > but falls behind on comprehension. She can memorize 2+3=5. But
>> >> >>> > if
>> >> >>> > you
>> >> >>> ask
>> >> >>> > her to add 3+2, she can't tell you the answer right away. But
>> >> >>> > yet
>> >> >>> > she
>> >> >>> aces
>> >> >>> > every single 5th grade spelling test.
>> >> >>> > And her physical abilities is where we push hard on as well.
>> >> >>> > Fine
>> >> >>> > and
>> >> >>> gross
>> >> >>> > motor. She can't gain weight to gain the muscle, and she has
>> >> >>> > other
>> >> >>> > underline issues as well. I would prefer her to just be pulled
>> >> >>> > out
>> >> >>> > of
>> >> >>> class
>> >> >>> > a few times a week with an APE teacher since she's most
>> comfortable
>> >> >>> > one
>> >> >>> on
>> >> >>> > one. I know PE is one of the periods in the 6 period classes at
>> her
>> >> >>> soon to
>> >> >>> > be middle school. I'm just wondering if I can and can't fight
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > on
>> >> >>> > her
>> >> >>> > IEP. Such as dressing. If I have been working on it here at home
>> >> >>> > with
>> >> >>> her
>> >> >>> > for years, what's to make me think she can magically learn it in
>> >> >>> > a
>> >> >>> > timed
>> >> >>> > setting like dressing out at school? Plus she gets easily
>> >> >>> > flustered.
>> >> >>> > And
>> >> >>> > that leads to changes in her blood pressure that leads to one of
>> >> >>> > her
>> >> >>> other
>> >> >>> > underlined issues. Its a vicious cycle she has.
>> >> >>> > I'm hoping I can have her dressing out be something as simple as
>> >> >>> accessing
>> >> >>> > her own lock, changing shoes, maybe into gym shorts and
>> >> >>> > reporting
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> a
>> >> >>> > designated area.
>> >> >>> > I need as much help as I can knowing what we will face going
>> >> >>> > into
>> >> >>> > middle
>> >> >>> > school.
>> >> >>> > On Mar 13, 2013 9:15 PM, "Arielle Silverman"
>> >> >>> > <arielle71 at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> Hi Julie and all,
>> >> >>> >> I guess I'd like to take this discussion in a bit of a
>> >> >>> >> different
>> >> >>> >> direction. I'm wondering if it would be possible to replace
>> >> >>> >> your
>> >> >>> >> daughter's PE requirement with some extra one-on-one time with
>> >> >>> >> someone
>> >> >>> >> who can help her work on some of these motor issues so she can
>> >> master
>> >> >>> >> some of these independent living skills like dressing herself
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> using keys? (Perhaps an OT, PT, APE instructor or some
>> >> >>> >> combination)?
>> >> >>> >> To me, this seems much more critically important than whatever
>> she
>> >> >>> >> might get out of being in a mainstreamed PE class--especially
>> >> >>> >> if
>> >> >>> >> she
>> >> >>> >> wants to start going to sleepover parties with her girlfriends,
>> or
>> >> >>> >> letting herself into the house when you aren't at home. It
>> >> >>> >> seems
>> >> once
>> >> >>> >> she has learned these skills she will be more ready for a
>> >> traditional
>> >> >>> >> P.E. program.
>> >> >>> >> More generally, to everyone, I think there is some benefit in
>> >> >>> >> having
>> >> >>> >> blind kids do their P.E. requirements in a more individualized
>> >> >>> >> fashion
>> >> >>> >> rather than just having someone come into their regular P.E.
>> class
>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> help them. I'm usually an advocate of including blind students
>> >> >>> >> in
>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> regular curriculum as much as possible, but based on my own
>> >> >>> >> experiences with regular and adapted P.E. I feel that P.E.
>> >> >>> >> needs
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> be
>> >> >>> >> handled a little differently. I'm curious if others have had
>> >> >>> >> experiences similar to mine.
>> >> >>> >> I was in regular P.E. throughout elementary school and sixth
>> grade
>> >> >>> >> (in
>> >> >>> >> middle school) and what I remember was either being forced to
>> >> >>> >> sit
>> >> >>> >> on
>> >> >>> >> the bench, participating with a lot of help from my classmates,
>> or
>> >> >>> >> having an APE teacher practically on top of me aiming throws
>> >> >>> >> for
>> >> >>> >> me,
>> >> >>> >> catching balls, etc. so I was basically a passive participant.
>> >> Sports
>> >> >>> >> activities were never adapted, and at times my P.E. teachers
>> >> >>> >> were
>> >> >>> >> quite frank in stating that I wasn't expected to perform well.
>> For
>> >> >>> >> example, in sixth grade I was required to dress out, but when
>> >> >>> >> we
>> >> >>> >> ran
>> >> >>> >> laps the kid who forgot his gym clothes at home was always the
>> one
>> >> >>> >> assigned to be my running guide, because evidently the P.E.
>> >> >>> >> teachers
>> >> >>> >> didn't think that guiding me on the track was strenuous enough
>> >> >>> >> exercise to make someone dress out to do it. Anyway you get the
>> >> idea.
>> >> >>> >> In seventh grade on, my PE requirements were waived due to
>> alleged
>> >> >>> >> "safety concerns" and I was assigned one-on-one classes with an
>> >> >>> >> APE
>> >> >>> >> instructor instead. I hated this at first but it turned out to
>> >> >>> >> be
>> >> >>> >> great because my teacher was a female bodybuilder who assigned
>> >> >>> >> me
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> do weight training. I worked with her twice per week throughout
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> eighth, ninth, and tenth grades and she taught me how to use
>> >> >>> >> all
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> common weight machines and free-weights, and trained me to
>> >> >>> >> build
>> >> >>> >> up
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> some fairly competitive lifting routines. Initially I thought
>> >> >>> >> it
>> >> >>> >> was
>> >> >>> >> unfair to be separated from my peers and to have to come in
>> before
>> >> >>> >> school for bench-press drills, but eventually I gained
>> >> >>> >> confidence
>> >> >>> >> in
>> >> >>> >> my body and my physical abilities because I was working with
>> >> >>> >> someone
>> >> >>> >> who challenged me and held me to high standards instead of just
>> >> >>> >> casting me aside to sit on the bench. In tenth grade the
>> >> >>> >> program
>> >> >>> >> changed from on-campus sessions to my walking from school to my
>> >> local
>> >> >>> >> YMCA to complete the exercise routine (with supervision from
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> instructor at first, and then completely independent). It has
>> been
>> >> >>> >> twelve years since that class ended for me, but I still know
>> >> >>> >> exactly
>> >> >>> >> how to use all the equipment, and though I have been erratic in
>> my
>> >> >>> >> gym
>> >> >>> >> participation, I still enjoy lifting weights and still do some
>> >> >>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> floor exercises that I learned. I also know a few other blind
>> >> >>> >> students
>> >> >>> >> who had similar individualized APE programs, some of which also
>> >> >>> >> involved stationary bike, elliptical or treadmill routines as
>> >> >>> >> well.
>> >> >>> >> I am pretty sure that the real purpose of required physical
>> >> education
>> >> >>> >> (for all kids) is to instill good exercise habits and to
>> >> >>> >> motivate
>> >> >>> >> kids
>> >> >>> >> to become and remain physically active. I question how well
>> >> >>> >> that
>> >> >>> >> can
>> >> >>> >> happen for a blind student in a mainstreamed class where the
>> blind
>> >> >>> >> student is always at a disadvantage, the last to be chosen for
>> >> >>> >> every
>> >> >>> >> team, etc. If others have found ways to make mainstreamed P.E.
>> >> >>> >> truly
>> >> >>> >> accessible, I would be very curious to hear how that was done.
>> >> >>> >> However, I suspect that it is quite difficult for regular P.E.
>> >> >>> >> teachers to make their classes fully accessible to a blind
>> student
>> >> >>> >> because many of the modifications, like using beeping balls,
>> >> >>> >> have
>> >> >>> >> an
>> >> >>> >> effect on how the whole class is run. It's great if you have a
>> >> >>> >> P.E.
>> >> >>> >> arrangement where your child is fully included and where he/she
>> >> >>> >> can
>> >> >>> >> excel. If that's not happening, though, I think the option of
>> >> setting
>> >> >>> >> up an individualized adapted P.E. program is one worth
>> considering
>> >> so
>> >> >>> >> that your child can achieve excellence in the class and learn
>> some
>> >> >>> >> practical, good exercise habits. Of course, this is only going
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> work
>> >> >>> >> if the adapted P.E. teacher at the school is a quality teacher,
>> >> >>> >> someone with an open mind and someone who believes in blind
>> >> >>> >> people.
>> >> I
>> >> >>> >> also think that sports groups for the blind, and mainstreamed
>> >> >>> >> community sports leagues where the leaders believe in blind
>> >> >>> >> people,
>> >> >>> >> are alternative ways to achieve these goals if the P.E.
>> >> >>> >> programs
>> >> >>> >> at
>> >> >>> >> school are not worthwhile.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> What are your thoughts on this?
>> >> >>> >> Arielle
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On 3/13/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > Thank you. I'll look into it all.
>> >> >>> >> > On Mar 13, 2013 10:14 AM, "Bernadette Jacobs"
>> >> >>> >> > <bernienfb75 at gmail.com
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> Good Afternoon Julie!
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> Don't lose heart Darling!  Firstly, RE: the combination
>> >> >>> >> >> lock,
>> >> >>> >> >> there
>> >> >>> >> >> actually is, (believe it or not), such a thing as Braille
>> >> >>> Combination
>> >> >>> >> >> Locks.  And they are very easy to work. You can check with
>> >> >>> >> >> Ellen
>> >> >>> >> >> Ringlein over at NFB: 410-659-9314 in the independence
>> market.
>> >> >>> >> >> You
>> >> >>> >> >> might also check with the folks over at BISM: 410-7372600
>> >> >>> >> >> and
>> >> ask
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> >> >> speak with Andy McIver.  Or there's Independent Living Aids.
>>  I
>> >> >>> don't
>> >> >>> >> >> remember the number offhand.  You can always "goodsearch"
>> >> >>> >> >> it.
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> As for the dressing part, I'm not the expert in that
>> >> >>> >> >> department.
>> >> >>>  But,
>> >> >>> >> >> hopefully, before long, somebody will have some ideas for
>> >> >>> >> >> you
>> >> >>> >> >> there
>> >> >>> as
>> >> >>> >> >> well.
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> On 3/12/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >> > Hi all,
>> >> >>> >> >> > My daughter will be going into middle school next year and
>> >> >>> physical
>> >> >>> >> >> > education will be one of the courses. I have a few
>> >> >>> >> >> > concerns
>> >> that
>> >> >>> >> >> > I
>> >> >>> >> know
>> >> >>> >> >> > will be brought up in our next IEP in a few weeks.
>> >> >>> >> >> > 1. Will she be required to dress into PE clothes?
>> >> >>> >> >> > Right now she has lots of difficulty dressing herself.
>> Pants,
>> >> >>> socks
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> >> > shoes are easy. Its the upper half she can't accomplish
>> >> >>> >> >> > yet.
>> >> She
>> >> >>> >> >> > doesn't
>> >> >>> >> >> > have the muscle structure to do certain things and still
>> >> >>> >> >> > had
>> >> >>> >> difficulty
>> >> >>> >> >> > with muscle isolation. Her Dr thinks it's just part of
>> >> >>> >> >> > being
>> >> >>> >> >> > extremely
>> >> >>> >> >> > premee and her being underweight.
>> >> >>> >> >> > I am also NOT ok with someone assisting her to dress out.
>> She
>> >> >>> >> >> > will
>> >> >>> >> >> > be
>> >> >>> >> >> > in
>> >> >>> >> >> > APE. Is not dressing out a reasonable request for her APE
>> >> >>> >> >> > in
>> >> her
>> >> >>> >> >> > IEP?
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > If she is required to change in some way such as just
>> >> >>> >> >> > shoes,
>> >> >>> >> >> > what
>> >> >>> >> >> > type
>> >> >>> >> >> > of
>> >> >>> >> >> > lock might be easiest to start off with?  I don't know how
>> to
>> >> >>> modify
>> >> >>> >> >> > a
>> >> >>> >> >> > combination lock for her, and like I said, she hasn't been
>> >> >>> >> >> > able
>> >> >>> >> >> > to
>> >> >>> >> >> isolate
>> >> >>> >> >> > fingers well. So getting a key in a lock is very very
>> >> >>> >> >> > difficult
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> >> >> > her.
>> >> >>> >> >> We
>> >> >>> >> >> > have tried for so long already.
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > What are some things I need to know before we start PE in
>> >> middle
>> >> >>> >> school
>> >> >>> >> >> so
>> >> >>> >> >> > I can bring up to her IEP team?
>> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >>> >> >> > Thank you all in advance. I need to get this all figured
>> >> >>> >> >> > out
>> >> >>> before
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> >> > meeting and before the year starts and we find things out
>> the
>> >> >>> >> >> > hard
>> >> >>> >> way.
>> >> >>> >> >> > ~Julie.
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