[blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY THISSATURDAY
Penny Duffy
pennyduffy at gmail.com
Thu Oct 10 20:37:57 UTC 2013
I wanted to follow up and say question any accommodation.. Some make a a
blind person more independent like needing things in accessible format.
While others should simply be questioned. Why does my child need this
accommodation? Are they lacking some skill? Where do I go to get this
skill. Or is an accommodation that looks like a huge bonus (that really
isn't needed) that in the ends perpetuates that blind people are
incapable.
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I come to the conclusion that everyone needs to judge for themselves what
> their comfortable with and when a business decides to do an accommodation
> its really a judgement call if its an appropriate thing for their child or
> not. 'Our' kids are all very different. Some have serious sensory issues
> that the waiting in line can be overwhelming. Its also important to know
> when you are posting on a NFB list it should be a surprise your getting
> these responses. The NFB philosophy makes our kids strong more independent
> and more respected. Remember the NFB has had to fight to allow blind
> riders on some attractions since they were denied entry due to safety.
> When we cry something is not safe for our children people feel our
> children are not capable of doing the simpliest things even shocking
> getting dressed or eating.
>
> The thing is the new plan by Disney addresses the whole staying in line
> thing by asking the patron to simply return at an assigned time to get
> right on. Kids will not be put in the fast pass line. I feel the people
> this new policy has a the potential to hurt are those that are medically
> fragile and they simply can not stay in heat very long. Its not about
> lines since the new policy doesn't make people with the new pass wait in
> lines just ask them to return at an assigned time, This makes sure that the
> patrons with the pass are not getting an advantages to going on a popular
> time say 20x times when most people can only go on 2 to 4 times in a day.
> No one can say that is fair. Now i know many people feel the new plan
> isn't appropriate for their children
>
> I just thinks its wonderful that Disney is trying to be family friendly
> to all kinds of different times of families.
>
> Now I am going to change the topic a bit about getting similar type of
> accommodations for blind children. This is something I think about often.
> I am going to bring up the parking placard/plate issue. I think its always
> important to ask the questions WHY with such things. i revisit issue at
> different times and have different conclusions. I am going to admit
> having a disabled parking permit placard. I have for two reasons. 1. Due
> to my child's developing cane travel skills parking in odd unsafe spot make
> my daughter more dependent on me than parking in a disabled parking spot.
> This became an issues a few years ago when my daughter's school was
> constructing a new school on the site. It wasn't safe for her to park at
> any of the other half hazard spots. I wanted people to her get out of the
> car independently and get herself into school not needing the assistance of
> her parents.
>
> 2. The city we live in offers free parking for those with a handicap
> placard (and other cities in the area are the same) I think the policy is
> odd but its the policy. Using the placard for parking has allowed my
> daughter to have more experiences.
>
> i have only use the placard when safety is an issue or it promotes my
> daughters independence. (or using that odd ball parking discount) Yes you
> can tell I still have some very strong mix feelings about this lol.
>
> -Penny
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Dr. Denise M Robinson <
> deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Amen Debbie and others who resonant these ideas...yes, this is a fine
>> line.
>> I always tell my students that when they ask for those exceptions to the
>> rule...they are asking to be thought of as weak or pitied--even worse and
>> when the big opportunity comes along...they will not be asked to do it
>> because they have gotten out of so many things before. No one has any idea
>> of what they are truly capable of.
>>
>> Be very careful with asking for those exceptions to the general rule---if
>> you bypass people in line, get out of homework, have less work, have that
>> get of free jail card because of blindness, etc....do you think others
>> will
>> be a bit angry with you...pity you? Would kids or others want you to join
>> with them socially?
>>
>> What do you want to exemplify in life? How do you want others to perceive
>> you? Questions we all must ask ourselves whether sighted or blind.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Deborah Kent Stein <dkent5817 at att.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I share your concern. We work very hard to break down barriers and win
>> > equal opportunities for blind people in society. Part of equality is
>> > sharing the same responsibilities as everyone else. I feel it is
>> important
>> > to teach our blind kids that they are perfectly capable of dealing with
>> the
>> > inconveniences and annoyances of life that everyone else is subject to.
>> > That includes doing homework, cleaning up messes, and standing in line
>> even
>> > when the line is long and you're getting bored.
>> >
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Fass" <jillfass at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)" <
>> > blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:19 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY
>> > THISSATURDAY
>> >
>> >
>> > Why can't a blind child stand in line? They have help. I can see it if
>> >> they
>> >> are by themselves. But if you have someone with you why cant they
>> stand in
>> >> line. If they have other issues that is different, but just being blind
>> >> should not be a way to avoid lines??
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Brandy W., with Discovery Toys <
>> >> ballstobooks at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Starting yesterday they have taken this away and now no one will get
>> >>> this.
>> >>> You will have to use a kind of fast pass program whare you have to
>> get a
>> >>> time and come back thus making more walking for those can't, more
>> >>> navagating
>> >>> for blind people who are still developing skills etc. If it were the
>> way
>> >>> it
>> >>> used to be all would be fine as it was when I visited. Children with
>> >>> sensory
>> >>> conditions have been included since the early 90s, and all of this is
>> >>> going
>> >>> away!
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces@**nfbnet.org<
>> blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>> >>> On Behalf Of Marianne
>> >>> Denning
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:53 AM
>> >>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> >>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY
>> >>> THIS
>> >>> SATURDAY
>> >>>
>> >>> The last time I went to Disney I could walk up and get on rides due
>> to my
>> >>> visual impairment. This has been available to people with
>> disabilities
>> >>> for
>> >>> many years. This group is trying to expand it to include children
>> with
>> >>> sensory integration issues. I hope they are successful.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/10/13, Brandy W., with Discovery Toys <ballstobooks at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> > While I understand that blindness alone doesn't need a special pass
>> at
>> >>> > Disney many of our children have other disabilities that do make the
>> >>> > pass make their trip a special and equal experience. Please if you
>> >>> > have children who will be effected by this pass please write to the
>> >>> > information in this email.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Bran
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > From: sensoryintegrationgroup@**yahoogroups.com<
>> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>
>> >>> > [mailto:sensoryintegrationgrou**p at yahoogroups.com<
>> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>]
>> >>> On Behalf Of
>> >>> > girllofgod at yahoo.com
>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:45 AM
>> >>> > To: sensoryintegrationgroup@**yahoogroups.com<
>> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>
>> >>> > Subject: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY THIS SATURDAY
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > We are putting a rally together at Disneyland on Saturday. We need
>> as
>> >>> > many supporters as possible. We are going have a few leaders in
>> >>> > different locations like possibly the 7/11 location again and
>> Downtown
>> >>> > Disney and somewhere else. Please message me if you want to
>> >>> > participate and please, please spread the word. Time T.B.A.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I believe all entertainment venues are watching this and are
>> >>> > children's freedom is in jeopardy. For those of you who cannot
>> >>> > participate, we are asking to hold rally's at your local Disney
>> >>> > Stores. Please voice your concerns by calling the park and sending
>> >>> > your letter and sharing your stories how the Disability Passes need
>> to
>> >>> > be made available for any person with Special Needs.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Here is the information to let your voices be heard. Feel to flood
>> >>> > their Facebook page under the recommendations section as well.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > CALL (714) 781-4636. Select the option to speak to a cast member
>> about
>> >>> > general questions. Once you get a live person on the other end, ask
>> to
>> >>> > be transferred to "Guest Relations In the Park." This is some kind
>> of
>> >>> > code for them. But also ask for them to stay on the line while you
>> are
>> >>> > being transferred to make sure it goes through. You should then be
>> >>> > talking to someone else who will know a lot more about the proposed
>> >>> > discontinuation of the guest services program than the initial
>> people
>> >>> > you
>> >>> reach will.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > For those people with annual passes, I tried to call the number for
>> >>> > help with that, (714) 781-7277, but ended up back at the same voice
>> >>> > menu you get when you call the general number.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > MAIL YOUR LETTERS WITH YOUR PERSONAL STORIES TO
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mailing Address:
>> >>> > Disneyland Resort
>> >>> > P.O. Box 3232
>> >>> > Anaheim, CA 92802-3232
>> >>> >
>> >>> > AND
>> >>> > CC:
>> >>> > Robert A. Iger
>> >>> > Chief Executive Officer
>> >>> > The Walt Disney Company
>> >>> > 500 South Buena Vista Street
>> >>> > Burbank, CA 91521-4873
>> >>> >
>> >>> > AND
>> >>> > cc:Thomas O. Staggs
>> >>> > Chairman
>> >>> > Walt Disney Parks & Resorts
>> >>> > 500 South Buena Vista Street
>> >>> > Burbank, CA 91521-4873
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nancy
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
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