[blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY THISSATURDAY
Brandy W., with Discovery Toys
ballstobooks at gmail.com
Fri Oct 11 02:08:37 UTC 2013
I didn't start this tread to cause problems, but I'm glad it started some
meaningful conversation. Speaking for myself I so rarely take any
accommodation for being blind to the fact that I'm self employed, never used
SSD in college, found every job I had through college, use my cities bus
system and higher drivers, and Disney is one place that I really benefit
from the former accommodations, and not because I'm blind, but because due
to other health concerns I can't physically make it through the day. So with
the new system I'm actually going to even need to walk more which is part of
the problem. I sent this here so people with multiple Disabilities knew of
the changes, and could speak up if they wished. My mom did not use these
services as a child, and I'm glad, but now I need them. My mother said you
will be a normal kid that happens to be blind, and she provided me
experiences that taught me this. Sometimes it is helpful. Disney does
provide front row viewing which can be very helpful as some of us can see
some if our view isn't obstructed.
Remember that your children need to learn that they are a person who happens
to be blind. They need to know when extra help is really needed, and if they
are ok with the assumptions that are made. On my first Disney trip which has
been my only so far I actually had someone ask me if I was blind why I was
using the accessible entrance. I explained, and he gave me a high 5, and
said it is hard with invisible illnesses. Try not to judge, and explain to
others when they judge you.
Bran
-----Original Message-----
From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marianne
Denning
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:02 PM
To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
Subject: Re: [blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY
THISSATURDAY
As a blind adult, there are times when I decide that using sighted guide is
a better option than a cane or my dog. Each has its place and should be
part of the mobility toolbox. Teaching students when to use each choice is
the challenge.
On 10/10/13, Julie Yanez <jyanez112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> There are many valid points on both ends. From independent blind
> adults, and parents of blind children. These children are still
> learning the basic cane skills that will be required as adults.
> But when you take a learning child to a Zoo like Disneyland, you want
> them to enjoy it, not be overwhelmed. As they get older and learn the
> needed skills, they may not want or need any accommodations. A child
> is not the one asking guest services for the pass. So as parents, we
> need to advocate when it's needed, not when it's convenient.
> On Oct 10, 2013 1:38 PM, "Penny Duffy" <pennyduffy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I wanted to follow up and say question any accommodation.. Some make
>> a a blind person more independent like needing things in accessible
format.
>> While others should simply be questioned. Why does my child need this
>> accommodation? Are they lacking some skill? Where do I go to get
>> this skill. Or is an accommodation that looks like a huge bonus (that
>> really isn't needed) that in the ends perpetuates that blind people
>> are incapable.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Penny Duffy <pennyduffy at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I come to the conclusion that everyone needs to judge for
>> > themselves what their comfortable with and when a business decides
>> > to do an accommodation its really a judgement call if its an
>> > appropriate thing for their child
>> or
>> > not. 'Our' kids are all very different. Some have serious sensory
>> issues
>> > that the waiting in line can be overwhelming. Its also important
>> > to know when you are posting on a NFB list it should be a surprise
>> > your getting these responses. The NFB philosophy makes our kids
>> > strong more
>> independent
>> > and more respected. Remember the NFB has had to fight to allow
>> > blind riders on some attractions since they were denied entry due to
safety.
>> > When we cry something is not safe for our children people feel our
>> > children are not capable of doing the simpliest things even
>> > shocking getting dressed or eating.
>> >
>> > The thing is the new plan by Disney addresses the whole staying in
>> > line thing by asking the patron to simply return at an assigned
>> > time to get right on. Kids will not be put in the fast pass line.
>> > I feel the people this new policy has a the potential to hurt are
>> > those that are medically fragile and they simply can not stay in
>> > heat very long. Its not about lines since the new policy doesn't
>> > make people with the new pass wait in lines just ask them to return
>> > at an assigned time, This makes sure that
>> the
>> > patrons with the pass are not getting an advantages to going on a
>> > popular time say 20x times when most people can only go on 2 to 4
>> > times in a day.
>> > No one can say that is fair. Now i know many people feel the new
>> > plan
>> > isn't appropriate for their children
>> >
>> > I just thinks its wonderful that Disney is trying to be family
>> > friendly to all kinds of different times of families.
>> >
>> > Now I am going to change the topic a bit about getting similar type
>> > of accommodations for blind children. This is something I think
>> > about often.
>> > I am going to bring up the parking placard/plate issue. I think
>> > its
>> always
>> > important to ask the questions WHY with such things. i revisit
>> > issue at
>> > different times and have different conclusions. I am going to admit
>> > having a disabled parking permit placard. I have for two reasons. 1.
>> > Due
>> > to my child's developing cane travel skills parking in odd unsafe
>> > spot
>> make
>> > my daughter more dependent on me than parking in a disabled parking
>> > spot.
>> > This became an issues a few years ago when my daughter's school was
>> > constructing a new school on the site. It wasn't safe for her to park
>> at
>> > any of the other half hazard spots. I wanted people to her get out
>> > of
>> the
>> > car independently and get herself into school not needing the
>> > assistance
>> of
>> > her parents.
>> >
>> > 2. The city we live in offers free parking for those with a
>> > handicap placard (and other cities in the area are the same) I
>> > think the policy is odd but its the policy. Using the placard for
>> > parking has allowed my daughter to have more experiences.
>> >
>> > i have only use the placard when safety is an issue or it promotes
>> > my daughters independence. (or using that odd ball parking
>> > discount) Yes
>> you
>> > can tell I still have some very strong mix feelings about this lol.
>> >
>> > -Penny
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Dr. Denise M Robinson <
>> > deniserob at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Amen Debbie and others who resonant these ideas...yes, this is a
>> >> fine line.
>> >> I always tell my students that when they ask for those exceptions
>> >> to the rule...they are asking to be thought of as weak or
>> >> pitied--even worse
>> and
>> >> when the big opportunity comes along...they will not be asked to
>> >> do it because they have gotten out of so many things before. No
>> >> one has any
>> idea
>> >> of what they are truly capable of.
>> >>
>> >> Be very careful with asking for those exceptions to the general
>> rule---if
>> >> you bypass people in line, get out of homework, have less work,
>> >> have
>> that
>> >> get of free jail card because of blindness, etc....do you think
>> >> others will be a bit angry with you...pity you? Would kids or
>> >> others want you to
>> join
>> >> with them socially?
>> >>
>> >> What do you want to exemplify in life? How do you want others to
>> perceive
>> >> you? Questions we all must ask ourselves whether sighted or blind.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Deborah Kent Stein
>> >> <dkent5817 at att.net
>> >> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I share your concern. We work very hard to break down barriers
>> >> > and
>> win
>> >> > equal opportunities for blind people in society. Part of
>> >> > equality is sharing the same responsibilities as everyone else.
>> >> > I feel it is
>> >> important
>> >> > to teach our blind kids that they are perfectly capable of
>> >> > dealing
>> with
>> >> the
>> >> > inconveniences and annoyances of life that everyone else is
>> >> > subject
>> to.
>> >> > That includes doing homework, cleaning up messes, and standing
>> >> > in line
>> >> even
>> >> > when the line is long and you're getting bored.
>> >> >
>> >> > Debbie
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Fass"
>> >> > <jillfass at gmail.com>
>> >> > To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,(for parents of blind children)" <
>> >> > blindkid at nfbnet.org>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:19 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND
>> >> > RALLY THISSATURDAY
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Why can't a blind child stand in line? They have help. I can
>> >> > see it
>> if
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> are by themselves. But if you have someone with you why cant
>> >> >> they
>> >> stand in
>> >> >> line. If they have other issues that is different, but just
>> >> >> being
>> blind
>> >> >> should not be a way to avoid lines??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Brandy W., with Discovery
>> >> >> Toys < ballstobooks at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Starting yesterday they have taken this away and now no one
>> >> >> will get
>> >> >>> this.
>> >> >>> You will have to use a kind of fast pass program whare you
>> >> >>> have to
>> >> get a
>> >> >>> time and come back thus making more walking for those can't,
>> >> >>> more navagating for blind people who are still developing
>> >> >>> skills etc. If it were the
>> >> way
>> >> >>> it
>> >> >>> used to be all would be fine as it was when I visited.
>> >> >>> Children with sensory conditions have been included since the
>> >> >>> early 90s, and all of this
>> is
>> >> >>> going
>> >> >>> away!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >>> From: blindkid [mailto:blindkid-bounces@**nfbnet.org<
>> >> blindkid-bounces at nfbnet.org>]
>> >> >>> On Behalf Of Marianne
>> >> >>> Denning
>> >> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 9:53 AM
>> >> >>> To: Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)
>> >> >>> Subject: Re: [blindkid] FW: [sensoryintegration] RE:
>> >> >>> DISNEYLAND
>> RALLY
>> >> >>> THIS
>> >> >>> SATURDAY
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The last time I went to Disney I could walk up and get on
>> >> >>> rides due
>> >> to my
>> >> >>> visual impairment. This has been available to people with
>> >> disabilities
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> many years. This group is trying to expand it to include
>> >> >>> children
>> >> with
>> >> >>> sensory integration issues. I hope they are successful.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 10/10/13, Brandy W., with Discovery Toys
>> >> >>> <ballstobooks at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> > While I understand that blindness alone doesn't need a
>> >> >>> > special
>> pass
>> >> at
>> >> >>> > Disney many of our children have other disabilities that do
>> >> >>> > make
>> the
>> >> >>> > pass make their trip a special and equal experience. Please
>> >> >>> > if you have children who will be effected by this pass
>> >> >>> > please write to
>> the
>> >> >>> > information in this email.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Thanks,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Bran
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > From: sensoryintegrationgroup@**yahoogroups.com<
>> >> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >>> > [mailto:sensoryintegrationgrou**p at yahoogroups.com<
>> >> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>]
>> >> >>> On Behalf Of
>> >> >>> > girllofgod at yahoo.com
>> >> >>> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 12:45 AM
>> >> >>> > To: sensoryintegrationgroup@**yahoogroups.com<
>> >> sensoryintegrationgroup at yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >>> > Subject: [sensoryintegration] RE: DISNEYLAND RALLY THIS
>> >> >>> > SATURDAY
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > We are putting a rally together at Disneyland on Saturday.
>> >> >>> > We need
>> >> as
>> >> >>> > many supporters as possible. We are going have a few leaders
>> >> >>> > in different locations like possibly the 7/11 location again
>> >> >>> > and
>> >> Downtown
>> >> >>> > Disney and somewhere else. Please message me if you want to
>> >> >>> > participate and please, please spread the word. Time T.B.A.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I believe all entertainment venues are watching this and are
>> >> >>> > children's freedom is in jeopardy. For those of you who
>> >> >>> > cannot participate, we are asking to hold rally's at your
>> >> >>> > local Disney Stores. Please voice your concerns by calling
>> >> >>> > the park and sending your letter and sharing your stories
>> >> >>> > how the Disability Passes
>> need
>> >> to
>> >> >>> > be made available for any person with Special Needs.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Here is the information to let your voices be heard. Feel to
>> >> >>> > flood their Facebook page under the recommendations section
>> >> >>> > as well.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > CALL (714) 781-4636. Select the option to speak to a cast
>> >> >>> > member
>> >> about
>> >> >>> > general questions. Once you get a live person on the other
>> >> >>> > end,
>> ask
>> >> to
>> >> >>> > be transferred to "Guest Relations In the Park." This is
>> >> >>> > some kind
>> >> of
>> >> >>> > code for them. But also ask for them to stay on the line
>> >> >>> > while you
>> >> are
>> >> >>> > being transferred to make sure it goes through. You should
>> >> >>> > then be talking to someone else who will know a lot more
>> >> >>> > about the
>> proposed
>> >> >>> > discontinuation of the guest services program than the
>> >> >>> > initial
>> >> people
>> >> >>> > you
>> >> >>> reach will.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > For those people with annual passes, I tried to call the
>> >> >>> > number
>> for
>> >> >>> > help with that, (714) 781-7277, but ended up back at the
>> >> >>> > same
>> voice
>> >> >>> > menu you get when you call the general number.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > MAIL YOUR LETTERS WITH YOUR PERSONAL STORIES TO
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Mailing Address:
>> >> >>> > Disneyland Resort
>> >> >>> > P.O. Box 3232
>> >> >>> > Anaheim, CA 92802-3232
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > AND
>> >> >>> > CC:
>> >> >>> > Robert A. Iger
>> >> >>> > Chief Executive Officer
>> >> >>> > The Walt Disney Company
>> >> >>> > 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank, CA 91521-4873
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > AND
>> >> >>> > cc:Thomas O. Staggs
>> >> >>> > Chairman
>> >> >>> > Walt Disney Parks & Resorts
>> >> >>> > 500 South Buena Vista Street Burbank, CA 91521-4873
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Nancy
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > __._,_.___
>> >> >>> >
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