[blindlaw] NationalFederationoftheBlindRejectsNelson-CollinsAmendment

Tue Feb 10 02:47:25 UTC 2009

Is theirs actually sending out the alerts and responses to legislators? The 
last time I checked their web site users still had to go to the legislators 
web sites and respond and since I couldn't do it automatically and didn't 
want to waste time doing it I never went back. I know this shows my level of 
laziness when it comes to responding and how spoiled I've become by Internet 
technology.
This was a while ago.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 6:37 PM
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[blindlaw]NationalFederationoftheBlindRejectsNelson-CollinsAmendment


> actually the AAPD has this system in effect.  Perhaps the NFB shoudl
> coordinate with them!
>
> James
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:08 PM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> with the use of an email legislative alert system the emails or faxes are
>> sent automatically to the legislators as the system is able to match up 
>> the
>> member's address with their state and Federal legislative districts. 
>> There
>> is then no need to waste time going to web sites looking up legislative
>> addresses. The system can also be used to generate state specific alerts 
>> on
>> issues.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:39 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re:
>> [blindlaw]NationalFederationoftheBlindRejectsNelson-CollinsAmendment
>>
>>
>> Well all they really need to do is issue the press releases directly to 
>> the
>>> members.  If they need to do anything fancy they can use daisy for more
>>> extensively laid out items, particularly legislation, thats not that
>>> difficult. The only problem I see is when people try to access
>>> congressional
>>> websites for addresses, that would have to be provided in the press
>>> release.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> the technology for such a program is already developed. The question is
>>>> getting NFB to use and pay for its use.
>>>> Chuck
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <chatter8712 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
>>>> NationalFederationoftheBlindRejectsNelson-CollinsAmendment
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess the real question here is whether someone is willing to
>>>>
>>>>> develop this, or whether we are asking the major disability advocacy
>>>>> groups to do this. I have a background in web design and would not
>>>>> mind helping out on something like this, and I think it would be a
>>>>> great idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/9/09, ckrugman at sbcglobal.net <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I too am on many email lists and to give the NFB credit of the lists
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> was on it was the first organization to post information about the
>>>>>> Nelson-Collins amendment. It seems that many of the other disability
>>>>>> advocacy organizations did not post it until later or not all. Had an
>>>>>> legislative action been in place along with the alert emails members
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have clicked on a link in the email and generated an email or fax to
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> Senators acting on this amendment. While my background is not in web
>>>>>> design
>>>>>> I have much experience in political and community organizing and in
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> regard I am familiar with how these systems work. If this goes 
>>>>>> forward
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> would be willing to be involved in the process.
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 3:23 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] NationalFederationof
>>>>>> theBlindRejectsNelson-CollinsAmendment
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably the fastest way to reach people is via email.  I received no
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> than five emails about the Nelson-Collins amendment in the span of
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> nine hours.  But then, I am on the right lists and check my email
>>>>>>> frequently.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To that extent, what can be easily done is already being done.  What
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> could be done is a complex problem, I think.  I am not surprised it
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> been on the back burner waiting for someone with the energy and 
>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> step forward and make it happen.  You might have successfully
>>>>>>> volunteered
>>>>>>> yourself to be that person.  *grin*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point in discussing this particular amendment is that is that 
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> wasn't time to discuss it.  We had pretty much one day to take
>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>> action was to be taken.  And we did, based on what time we had.
>>>>>>> There's
>>>>>>> not much that can be done when a near supermajority starts trying to
>>>>>>> cram
>>>>>>> legislation down our throats with hundreds of pages and dozens of
>>>>>>> amendments unless you are right there and watching it constantly. 
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> don't have time to get the word out, and the people you want to get
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> word out to probably haven't got time to respond.  It's unfortunate,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> this is what we've got.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 08, 2009 at 11:50:03PM -0800, 
>>>>>>> ckrugman at sbcglobal.netwrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure that I understand this logic in that the issue here is
>>>>>>>> methods in which members can effectively be mobilized to take 
>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> support the NFB philosophy when advocating for legislation. When
>>>>>>>> chapter
>>>>>>>> meetings are held once a month and state bulletins and publications
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>> as the Monitor are published once a month this does not provide for
>>>>>>>> timely action on the part of members. The Nelson-Collins Amendment 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> really the issue here it was the means that the broader issue came 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> light as there was a need for immediate action to be taken by 
>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an inadequate method of members to take such action. While many
>>>>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have always been raised regarding the quality of VR services 
>>>>>>>> limiting
>>>>>>>> funds for such services will not improve them on any account. 
>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> NFB needs to spend some time and money on modernizing the way it
>>>>>>>> relates
>>>>>>>> to members and how effective existing methods of communication are 
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> mobilizing its members. Is the current method of distributing
>>>>>>>> legislative
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> information through audio tapes played at chapter meetings the most
>>>>>>>> effective method? I for one would prefer to receive legislative 
>>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>>> alerts as is done with most other advocacy organizations as it is
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> more expedient with regard to use of time at chapter meetings and 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> fact that it is available in an accessible format for immediate
>>>>>>>> action
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> members. This does not preclude the use of information published in
>>>>>>>> Braille but it would result in a greater degree of member
>>>>>>>> participation
>>>>>>>> and involvement.
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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