[blindlaw] SSI payments

Fri Feb 27 03:18:07 UTC 2009

What part of "I said compassion, not forgiveness of debt" is unclear 
to you?  We're talking about garnishment of subsistence living funds 
which are NOT ELIGIBLE FOR GARNISHMENT because they represent the 
absolute minimum amount needed to survive.

Do blind people deserve a pass?  No.  Do people on SSI "deserve" a 
pass?  Again, no.  However, SSI exists as a safety net--making it 
unsafe is counter-productive.  Meaningful Social Security reform 
would make that safety net contingent upon good faith effort to 
either seek employment or make yourself more employable, but that's 
not the same as saying that we'll leave a person without the ability 
to buy food and pay rent.

Buying iPods and flat screen TVs, on the other hand...  But I don't 
know many people on SSI who regularly purchase such things, either.

Joseph

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 03:49:55PM -0500, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
> Everyone needs to take responsibility for repaying their loans.  Do you 
> get a pass card if you are blind?  Is that what your attempting to 
> convey?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] SSI payments
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>> That is about the most class-warfare-inducing statement I've read on
>> a blindness-related mailing list to date.
>>
>> If you are not of reasonable financial means to pay for a university
>> education--say the first person in your single-parent family to
>> finish high school, an undergraduate education at a public university
>> is going to rack up about $40,000 in student loans.
>>
>> If, upon completion of that undergraduate education, you cannot find
>> work because there simply are no jobs as a result of financial
>> irresponsibility on the part of people for whom $40,000 remains an
>> insignificant figure, you are left with a debt you cannot--but should
>> have been able to--repay.  If you're depending on Social Security to
>> pay the rent, you're going to be in a world of hurt when your loan
>> payments become due.  If you cannot pay and your petitions are not
>> granted, you're in trouble.
>>
>> Given the cost of law school and that several on this list have
>> descried the difficulty and frustration associated with finding
>> employment after passing the bar, one might think a little compassion
>> would be in order.
>>
>> I said compassion, not forgiveness of the debt.  If I rack up another
>> $150,000 in loans in law school (as is likely), I have still accepted
>> a huge financial responsibility--one worth more than my family's
>> current and previous homes, combined.
>>
>> Of course, I am confident that I will be employed, otherwise I would
>> be much more hesitant to accept such a responsibility.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 09:20:55PM -0500, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>> You know what, individuals should not be taking out loans that they are
>>> unable to repay nor, should individuals be leveraging themselves so much.
>>> After all, that is what has our economy in its present condition.
>>> Individuals on SSI should not be borrowing money in the first place.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Matney" <angie at mpmail.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:58 PM
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] SSI payments
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, since SSI is really only designed to allow
>>>> someone to subsist on the least possible amount of cash, I'd have to
>>>> disagree with you. SSDI payments, on the other hand, are related to the
>>>> person's employment status, not their financial need. There's a
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>> Angie
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:55:22 -0500, Steve P. Deeley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, SSi payments should
>>>>> be eligible for garnishment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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