[blindlaw] Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008

Tue Jan 6 15:45:02 UTC 2009

It must be pointed out here that, as much as I am sorry I started this, I do 
*NOT* have the skills to do this, I don't even come close, I never will come 
close, and I make no claim to being able to do anything like what I believe, 
is potentially possible.  I believe it's possible based on one blind man in 
particular with whom I was acquainted and who I witnessed navigating 
environments without using a cane or dog.  I, however, also having a severe 
hearing loss, will never come close to having this type of awareness.  I am, 
at best, an over-educated advanced beginner. :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael O. Hanson" <mhanson at winternet.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: 
[blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008

>I have studied martial arts to some extent.  I do not have anything like 
>Mark Burning Hawk's skills.  That being said, I can tell you there is 
>nothing necessarily "mystical" about them.  I would love to find out where 
>I could learn to use information I could get from practicing such 
>activities to replace a white cane but would need some convincing.
>
>
> Mike Hanson
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: 
> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>
>
>> hi,
>>
>> come on bud, you really expect blind people to walk down the street or 
>> through a shopping mall shouting 'blind guy coming thru"?
>> lay off the peace pipe!
>> Bryan Schulz
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: 
>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>
>>
>>> Interesting; at bottom line, blind people are required to warn the 
>>> public of their presence.  Of course I know I'm being slightly stretchy 
>>> here, but shouldn't the goal be to eliminate this need?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John " <joramsey at cox.net>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:29 PM
>>> Subject: Re: 
>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 
>>> 2008
>>>
>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>> Believe it or not, I have had several people fall over my cane because 
>>>> they
>>>> walk backward while chatting with friends and the like. I have no idea 
>>>> what
>>>> the liability would be if you were acting as the reasonable blind 
>>>> person
>>>> would act. However,  I can almost guarantee you that if you were 
>>>> practicing
>>>> some form of martial arts  navigation you are going to be liable if 
>>>> someone
>>>> is injured because you walked into them and the like.
>>>> Take care,
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> John A. Ramsey Jr., Esq.
>>>>
>>>> Gainesville, FL 32609
>>>>
>>>> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:56 PM
>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 
>>>> 2008
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is totally hypothetical but I have always wondered about the 
>>>> potential
>>>> liability if someone is injured when they trip and fall over my cane 
>>>> when
>>>> they are not paying attention. I realize its far-fetched but many law 
>>>> suits
>>>> are far-fetched.
>>>> Chuck
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "KEITH VICK " <keith-vick at msn.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List " <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; "Mark
>>>> BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:18 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
>>>> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi List Members, I believe that New York has a statute that disallows
>>>>> a
>>>>> claim of negligence based on failure to use a cane. This may be the 
>>>>> case
>>>>> in other states. Also, as someone who has had the privilege of 
>>>>> training in
>>>>
>>>>> aikido and brazilian jiu jitsu I find the concept of martial arts 
>>>>> training
>>>>
>>>>> as a recognized adaptive method rather amusing and highly speculative.
>>>>> However, I do admit that the training has helped me adjust to my
>>>>> progressively worsening vision mostly because the arts trains one to 
>>>>> deal
>>>>> with unexpected movements against ones body - a rather common 
>>>>> occurrence
>>>>> in the subways of New York city. Warmest regards, Keith Vick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mark BurningHawk
>>>>> Sent: 1/4/2009 11:26:01 PM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
>>>>> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>>>> I am not sure of a way in which a blind person using skills learned 
>>>>> via a
>>>>> certain type of training could injure another person.  I am a bit
>>>>> disturbed
>>>>> to hear that there's a different "reasonable standard," for persons 
>>>>> and
>>>>> blind persons, but other than that, I think my original question has 
>>>>> been
>>>>> answered, and I really didn't mean to stir up any controversy over
>>>>> mobility
>>>>> methods.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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