[blindlaw] Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008

Wed Jan 7 02:21:42 UTC 2009

That's ... appalling.  *smirk* Tom Brown Jr. told me, while I was in a 
sweatlodge ceremony with him (shortly after it, anyway), about a blind woman 
who could read and follow tracks with her bare feet.  This is purely 
anecdotal, and I'm a bit skeptical, but ...  who am I to question others' 
feet's feats.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Fry" <mikefry79 at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: 
[blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008

>I thought I'd share this, it's funny.
>
> Mahatma Gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the time, which
> produced an impressive set of calluses on his feet. He also ate very 
> little,
> which made him rather frail and with his odd diet, he suffered from bad
> breath. This made him. .... A super-calloused fragile mystic hexed by
> halitosis.
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Mark BurningHawk 
> <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net
>> wrote:
>
>> I was about like him when I was six, myself, to the point of riding a
>> two-wheel bike around a back yard, navigating around trees, fences, etc. 
>> As
>> my hearing loss slowly crept up on me, this gradually went away.
>> Unfortunately, I only started any martial arts training at the tail end 
>> of
>> my hearing "envelope," and didn't benefit it from when I really 
>> could/should
>> have.  I don't remember doing the toes-up thing, but I may have walked on
>> the insides of my feet, which is useful when it comes to certain types of
>> walking and balancing.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Breeze" <pebreeze at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:04 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re:
>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>
>>
>> Here is my brief encounter with such.  I have a congenitally blind 6 year
>>> old son.  He maneuvers using echolocation.  He can walk through a 
>>> building
>>> without touching a single wall and navigate doorways and hallways.  He 
>>> can
>>> walk outside and when he is approached by someone he can reach out and
>>> touch
>>> them at perfect arms length.  He does the same with any solid surface he
>>> approaches.
>>>
>>> He started this when he was crawling at about 8 months of age.  He would
>>> tap
>>> the floor and maneuver around obstacles like walls, chairs, counters,
>>> etc..
>>> He gets better with age.  He deals with terrain elevation by scooting 
>>> his
>>> feet with his toe in the air and his heel barely touching the floor.  He
>>> can
>>> then detect any difference in surface texture, material, etc..  I feel 
>>> at
>>> some point he will change his mode and right now I am trying to enforce
>>> his
>>> cane usage but it is quite fascinating to watch him walk without it.  I 
>>> am
>>> hoping that he will pursue martial arts later.
>>>
>>> As far as stopping a flying fist in mid-air, I don't see it happening. 
>>> But
>>> he may surprise me, his hearing is very keen and he can hear whatever I 
>>> do
>>> in any room of the house.  I have to use stealth to sneak up on him and
>>> that
>>> is getting harder by the day.  Actually, it is impossible if the house 
>>> is
>>> quiet.  So who knows.......don't give up.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Mark BurningHawk
>>> <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>wrote:
>>>
>>> It must be pointed out here that, as much as I am sorry I started this, 
>>> I
>>>> do *NOT* have the skills to do this, I don't even come close, I never
>>>> will
>>>> come close, and I make no claim to being able to do anything like what 
>>>> I
>>>> believe, is potentially possible.  I believe it's possible based on one
>>>> blind man in particular with whom I was acquainted and who I witnessed
>>>> navigating environments without using a cane or dog.  I, however, also
>>>> having a severe hearing loss, will never come close to having this type
>>>> of
>>>> awareness.  I am, at best, an over-educated advanced beginner. :)
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O. Hanson" <
>>>> mhanson at winternet.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 
>>>> 2008
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I have studied martial arts to some extent.  I do not have anything 
>>>> like
>>>>
>>>>> Mark Burning Hawk's skills.  That being said, I can tell you there is
>>>>> nothing necessarily "mystical" about them.  I would love to find out
>>>>> where I
>>>>> could learn to use information I could get from practicing such
>>>>> activities
>>>>> to replace a white cane but would need some convincing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hanson
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz" <
>>>>> b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> >
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:05 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of
>>>>> 2008
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> come on bud, you really expect blind people to walk down the street 
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> through a shopping mall shouting 'blind guy coming thru"?
>>>>>> lay off the peace pipe!
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark BurningHawk" <
>>>>>> stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:45 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of
>>>>>> 2008
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Interesting; at bottom line, blind people are required to warn the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> public of their presence.  Of course I know I'm being slightly
>>>>>>> stretchy
>>>>>>> here, but shouldn't the goal be to eliminate this need?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John " <joramsey at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:29 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of
>>>>>>> 2008
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Chuck,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Believe it or not, I have had several people fall over my cane
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> walk backward while chatting with friends and the like. I have no
>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> the liability would be if you were acting as the reasonable blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> would act. However,  I can almost guarantee you that if you were
>>>>>>>> practicing
>>>>>>>> some form of martial arts  navigation you are going to be liable if
>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>> is injured because you walked into them and the like.
>>>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John A. Ramsey Jr., Esq.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gainesville, FL 32609
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Phone: (352) 505-6642
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:
>>>>>>>> blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>>>>>> [blindlaw]Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> 2008
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is totally hypothetical but I have always wondered about the
>>>>>>>> potential
>>>>>>>> liability if someone is injured when they trip and fall over my 
>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> they are not paying attention. I realize its far-fetched but many 
>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>>> suits
>>>>>>>> are far-fetched.
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEITH VICK " 
>>>>>>>> <keith-vick at msn.com
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List " <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; "Mark
>>>>>>>> BurningHawk" <stone_troll at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:18 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
>>>>>>>> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Hi List Members, I believe that New York has a statute that
>>>>>>>> disallows
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> claim of negligence based on failure to use a cane. This may be 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>>> in other states. Also, as someone who has had the privilege of
>>>>>>>>> training in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  aikido and brazilian jiu jitsu I find the concept of martial arts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> training
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  as a recognized adaptive method rather amusing and highly
>>>>>>>> speculative.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I do admit that the training has helped me adjust to my
>>>>>>>>> progressively worsening vision mostly because the arts trains one 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>>> with unexpected movements against ones body - a rather common
>>>>>>>>> occurrence
>>>>>>>>> in the subways of New York city. Warmest regards, Keith Vick
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Mark BurningHawk
>>>>>>>>> Sent: 1/4/2009 11:26:01 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw]
>>>>>>>>> Fw:AccommodationandComplianceseries:TheADAAmendmentsAct of 2008
>>>>>>>>> I am not sure of a way in which a blind person using skills 
>>>>>>>>> learned
>>>>>>>>> via a
>>>>>>>>> certain type of training could injure another person.  I am a bit
>>>>>>>>> disturbed
>>>>>>>>> to hear that there's a different "reasonable standard," for 
>>>>>>>>> persons
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> blind persons, but other than that, I think my original question 
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> answered, and I really didn't mean to stir up any controversy over
>>>>>>>>> mobility
>>>>>>>>> methods.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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