[blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations?

Mon May 18 03:29:24 UTC 2009

I had the same experiences with them and as a result was able to develop 
more of a rapport with some of them which came in handy later in my 
professional life. I did get accommodation from one in grad school when I 
had typed a paper on a typewriter with a cartridge ribbon that I did not 
know had run out mid way through the paper. Therefore, for part of the paper 
the only thing that showed was impressions. The professor had his secretary 
write it in from the impressions under the light as it looked like a stencil 
so I did not have to rewrite it.
Chuck
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From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations?


> When I was in college and graduate school, I contacted all my professors 
> and asked them what books would be used in their classes.  I also told 
> them I was blind and requested they allow me to use a tape recorder for 
> notes.  In addition, I usually requested a meeting prior to classes 
> starting just to introduce myself to them.  If a problem arose during the 
> semester, we were able to work it out.  Kids today rely on others to solve 
> their problems with professors.  I got to know my professors on a level 
> which made it possible for us to work together.
>
> Steve
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>> Being a product of public schools in the 60's where I was the only blind
>> student and college and grad school in the 70's and 80's where
>> accommodations were negotiated between myself and the professors on a 
>> large
>> university campus. The bottom line was that blind and other disabled
>> students learned how to solve their problems and how to function
>> independently in all facets of their education and life or they failed.
>> Basic coping skills both for academic and nonacademic survival are a 
>> needed
>> prerequisite to college and work and reasonable accommodation through any
>> legislation is not going to bring about an increase of success in college 
>> or
>> the real world of employment.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 8:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations?
>>
>>
>>> Let me start by saying this is just my opinion.  I also will say I work
>>> for a rehab agency.  I also monitor lots of lists here, and see stories
>>> from all over the country.  I think the bigger problem is that many
>>> students don't have the skills to succeed, not that they aren't getting
>>> enough or the right accommodations.  People can't take notes
>>> independently, can't read Braille, can't travel independently, don't 
>>> know
>>> how to use human readers, and on and on.  And some of the reason for 
>>> that
>>> is accommodations to willingly granted.
>>>
>>> It would be interesting to see the failure rate back in the 60's and 
>>> 70;'s
>>> before we had ADA etc.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 11:39 AM 5/16/2009, you wrote:
>>>>I must agree with Chuck in saying that we have a chicken and egg
>>>>problem.  Is the reason for the failure of blind and disabled to finish
>>>>college because they are not adequately prepared to do so or because
>>>>they do not receive sufficient accommodation and or support to do so.  I
>>>>think it is very difficult to determine so we are not really able to
>>>>pressure the colleges and universities.  Personally, I think higher ed
>>>>institutions could do better and in the blindness context, we need to do
>>>>more to assure access to the materials required for students to perform.
>>>>It is certainly difficult though to assess responsibility between the
>>>>two factors here.
>>>>Jim McCarthy
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>On Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:22 AM
>>>>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations?
>>>>
>>>>Is the failure to graduate the students that are accepted the college's
>>>>fault or due to the lack of preparedness on the part of many disabled
>>>>students that are accepted and in actuality not ready to handle the
>>>>various demands placed on them by being in college and not being
>>>>prepared to meet the demands. While I am a strong supporter of
>>>>reasonable accommodations I believe that the students need to take some
>>>>responsibility for the completion of their course of study.
>>>>Matriculation is not automatic for disabled students or the general
>>>>college population and of course is not guaranteed upon acceptance.
>>>>Chuck
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
>>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:30 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LSAT Accommodations?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > They probably do that, I know that one of thee Coolge entrance exams
>>>> > does it, but I am not sure if it is the SAT or the ACT but they 
>>>> > inform
>>>>
>>>> > the schools eactly which devices were used to take the test.  I think
>>>> > it is both of them.  This is how colleges can know who is disabled 
>>>> > and
>>>>
>>>> > who is not without actually asking the student if they are disabled 
>>>> > or
>>>>
>>>> > not.  It is a great way to get around the Rehabilitation Act of 1973.
>>>> > And this is good for colleges that do not have a high percentage of
>>>> > students who are disabled because they will most certainly accept you
>>>> > once they realize you are disabled, to satisfy their requirements to
>>>> > not be considered discriminatory.  But your chances of graduating 
>>>> > from
>>>>
>>>> > that situation is not as good as a college that accepts the disabled
>>>> > on a regular basis.  Of course state schools are more likely to 
>>>> > handle
>>>>
>>>> > the disabled with respect, since they are more in tune with the
>>>> > consequences of discriminiation.  But if you are competing with a lot
>>>> > of other disabled students to get into a college that is a good
>>>> > college for the blind, then you will probably be judged on your
>>>> > abilities based on being disabled and not the general population.
>>>> > Because they will probably only admit a certain amount of students 
>>>> > who
>>>>
>>>> > are disabled as the disabled tend to cost the university a lot more
>>>> > than non disabled.
>>>> >
>>>> > Since most people do not know they are doing this type of profiling,
>>>> > they have gotten away with it since 1973.
>>>> >
>>>> > You all are lawyers, can you stop this nonsense because colleges
>>>> > accept the blind and disabled in proportion to their numbers in the
>>>> > population, but they don't graduate them in any proportion to the
>>>> > numbers they accept.
>>>> >
>>>> > James Pepper
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