[blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services

RJ Sandefur joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
Sat Apr 24 23:53:43 UTC 2010


Yeh, that was a duh----- Original Message ----- ... I thought he was talking 
about DBS.
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's 
policy concerning out of state services


> duh,
> what do you think?
> falsifying your physical living address!
> Bryan Schulz
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's 
> policy concerning out of state services
>
>
>> What's dishonest? RJ
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and 
>> DBS's policy concerning out of state services
>>
>>
>>> That is dishonest!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tim Shaw" <timandvickie at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and 
>>> DBS's
>>> policy concerning out of state services
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a person working for a similar agency will telly ou they will infact
>>>> deny you sending you to the lousiana center unless you can come up with
>>>> specific reason that you need to attend that center of their own. For
>>>> example fi you were going to go into a specific vocational field and 
>>>> the
>>>> other center had a program geared toward it while theirs did not. That 
>>>> is
>>>> what the statement on out of state triaining is saying. If you can not
>>>> show that there is a training aspect that will be provided their that 
>>>> you
>>>> need that is not offered in state then they will only support the 
>>>> cheaper
>>>> in state training. My advice would be to find someone you know that 
>>>> lives
>>>> in lousiana and use their address to oopen a case there and get the
>>>> lousiana agency to send yu to the center. That would be much less of a
>>>> head ache
>>>>
>>>>> From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:52:18 -0400
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and 
>>>>> DBS's
>>>>> policy concerning out of state services
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the attachment she sent. Its been scanned as well. I'd like 
>>>>> your
>>>>> feed back. RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>>> To: RJ Sandefur
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM
>>>>> Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>>> concerning out of state services
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your
>>>>> mother.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we can
>>>>> reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the 
>>>>> Palm
>>>>> Beaches at this time for training.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice to
>>>>> help you in making your decision about training.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because 
>>>>> you
>>>>> attached it to your e-mail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to assist you with training services, please call our office 
>>>>> and
>>>>> ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or
>>>>> 866-225-0794.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bobbie Howard-Davis
>>>>>
>>>>> District Administrator
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM
>>>>> To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>>> Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>>> concerning out of state services
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions for
>>>>> you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy 
>>>>> concerning
>>>>> out of state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center,
>>>>> which is now the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find 
>>>>> the
>>>>> experience to be a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, 
>>>>> due
>>>>> to a disagreement with my councilor at the time. However, due to 
>>>>> having
>>>>> recently lost my mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of
>>>>> some adjustment to blindness training, and this training should be
>>>>> conducted at the Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking 
>>>>> at
>>>>> the DBS web sight and came across the policy concerning out of state
>>>>> services:
>>>>> Out of State Services
>>>>> DIVISION POLICY 6.14
>>>>>
>>>>> SUBJECT
>>>>> Out of State Services
>>>>>
>>>>> EFFECTIVE DATE
>>>>> July 9, 2003
>>>>>
>>>>> REVISION DATE
>>>>> February 14, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>> EXPIRATION DATE
>>>>> This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> PURPOSE
>>>>>
>>>>> To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services.
>>>>>
>>>>> AUTHORITY
>>>>> 34 CFR 361.50(b)
>>>>>
>>>>> POLICY
>>>>> The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference 
>>>>> for
>>>>> in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively 
>>>>> deny
>>>>> an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an
>>>>> out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and
>>>>> either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the
>>>>> designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> cost of the in-State service. However, if the out-of-state services
>>>>> provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation 
>>>>> plan,
>>>>> the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a
>>>>> service.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 
>>>>> But
>>>>> compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in 
>>>>> RSA
>>>>> PD-01-03:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants
>>>>> and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to
>>>>> exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making
>>>>> decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers,
>>>>> settings for employment and service provision, and methods for
>>>>> procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions,
>>>>> the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance
>>>>> needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to
>>>>> implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop
>>>>> resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR
>>>>> services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process;
>>>>> these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with
>>>>> Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this
>>>>> mean, that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend
>>>>> LCB, due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with 
>>>>> DBS,
>>>>> since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've
>>>>> attached a document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you 
>>>>> know
>>>>> who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get 
>>>>> my
>>>>> facts so that I'll be able to have enough information in order to make 
>>>>> an
>>>>> informed choice as to where to go from here. I did study with a 
>>>>> Seminary,
>>>>> and obtain my master of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my
>>>>> church to preach in 2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd
>>>>> want me to continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do.
>>>>> However, How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have 
>>>>> the
>>>>> blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I 
>>>>> have
>>>>> learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004, until now,
>>>> I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree in criminal
>>>> justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs. Davis, I look
>>>> forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur
>>>>
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