[blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services

Sun Apr 25 08:11:44 UTC 2010

The dishonesty is claiming to be a resident of a state when you are not and 
you have no intention of legally establishing residency in that state.
Chuck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's 
policy concerning out of state services


> What's dishonest? RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's 
> policy concerning out of state services
>
>
>> That is dishonest!
>>
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tim Shaw" <timandvickie at hotmail.com>
>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and 
>> DBS's
>> policy concerning out of state services
>>
>>
>>>
>>> As a person working for a similar agency will telly ou they will infact
>>> deny you sending you to the lousiana center unless you can come up with
>>> specific reason that you need to attend that center of their own. For
>>> example fi you were going to go into a specific vocational field and the
>>> other center had a program geared toward it while theirs did not. That 
>>> is
>>> what the statement on out of state triaining is saying. If you can not
>>> show that there is a training aspect that will be provided their that 
>>> you
>>> need that is not offered in state then they will only support the 
>>> cheaper
>>> in state training. My advice would be to find someone you know that 
>>> lives
>>> in lousiana and use their address to oopen a case there and get the
>>> lousiana agency to send yu to the center. That would be much less of a
>>> head ache
>>>
>>>> From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:52:18 -0400
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's
>>>> policy concerning out of state services
>>>>
>>>> Here's the attachment she sent. Its been scanned as well. I'd like your
>>>> feed back. RJ
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>> To: RJ Sandefur
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>> concerning out of state services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your
>>>> mother.
>>>>
>>>> If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we can
>>>> reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the Palm
>>>> Beaches at this time for training.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice to
>>>> help you in making your decision about training.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because 
>>>> you
>>>> attached it to your e-mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In order to assist you with training services, please call our office 
>>>> and
>>>> ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or
>>>> 866-225-0794.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bobbie Howard-Davis
>>>>
>>>> District Administrator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM
>>>> To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie
>>>> Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy
>>>> concerning out of state services
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions for
>>>> you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy 
>>>> concerning
>>>> out of state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center,
>>>> which is now the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find 
>>>> the
>>>> experience to be a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, 
>>>> due
>>>> to a disagreement with my councilor at the time. However, due to having
>>>> recently lost my mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of
>>>> some adjustment to blindness training, and this training should be
>>>> conducted at the Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at
>>>> the DBS web sight and came across the policy concerning out of state
>>>> services:
>>>> Out of State Services
>>>> DIVISION POLICY 6.14
>>>>
>>>> SUBJECT
>>>> Out of State Services
>>>>
>>>> EFFECTIVE DATE
>>>> July 9, 2003
>>>>
>>>> REVISION DATE
>>>> February 14, 2008
>>>>
>>>> EXPIRATION DATE
>>>> This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed.
>>>>
>>>> PURPOSE
>>>>
>>>> To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services.
>>>>
>>>> AUTHORITY
>>>> 34 CFR 361.50(b)
>>>>
>>>> POLICY
>>>> The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for
>>>> in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively 
>>>> deny
>>>> an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an
>>>> out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and
>>>> either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the
>>>> designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of 
>>>> the
>>>> cost of the in-State service. However, if the out-of-state services
>>>> provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation plan,
>>>> the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a
>>>> service.
>>>>
>>>> Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 But
>>>> compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in RSA
>>>> PD-01-03:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants
>>>> and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to
>>>> exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making
>>>> decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers,
>>>> settings for employment and service provision, and methods for
>>>> procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions,
>>>> the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance
>>>> needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to
>>>> implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop
>>>> resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR
>>>> services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process;
>>>> these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with
>>>> Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this
>>>> mean, that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend
>>>> LCB, due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with DBS,
>>>> since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've
>>>> attached a document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you know
>>>> who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get my
>>>> facts so that I'll be able to have enough information in order to make 
>>>> an
>>>> informed choice as to where to go from here. I did study with a 
>>>> Seminary,
>>>> and obtain my master of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my
>>>> church to preach in 2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd
>>>> want me to continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do.
>>>> However, How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have 
>>>> the
>>>> blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I 
>>>> have
>>>> learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004, until now,
>>> I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree in criminal
>>> justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs. Davis, I look
>>> forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur
>>>
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