[blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind

Sun Aug 8 03:43:35 UTC 2010

Good evening,

The logic style question, technically not a CAPTCHA since it is not completely automated, can provide a certain level of security, .  I do know of some sites, however, where this is not an effective approach at preventing unwanted content from being posted.

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On 2010-08-07, at 12:39 PM, Chris Danielsen wrote:

> Recently I heard of a company, Gogo In Flight, that solved the inaccessible
> visual captcha problem with logic questions instead of an audio captcha.
> These were very simple questions that would require a human response, such
> as: If today is Tuesday, what was yesterday? Or: Of the numbers 3, 9, 5, 14,
> 7, which is the largest? Or: Of cow, rose, or horse, which is not an animal?
> Of course I guess this approach might not work for people with some forms of
> intellectual or developmental disability. So it's possible that there is no
> perfect captcha solution. But that one at least addresses the concerns of
> both blind and deaf users, or of deaf-blind ones.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:44 PM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
> 
> Hello Charles and everyone,
> 
> And what if this person is both blind and deaf? The folks who develop these
> CAPTCHA solving solutions need to consider this population too.
> 
> Peter Donahue
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
> 
> 
> as long as there are alternatives to solve the captcha such as audio captcha
> or use of other services such as Solona or Web Vizum they are not breaking
> the law. As blind professionals we need to look toward using alternatives to
> solve these types of problems and the alternatives are out there for us to
> use.
> Chuck
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
> 
> 
>> Derek,
>> 
>> Interesting that they even make it a random test.  There are other sites
>> that do this type of thing and it is not fair appropriate for any of them
>> to do so.  This needs to change, for the sake of all blind people.
>> 
>> Are they breaking the law by doing this test?
>> 
>> 
>> Tom
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Derek Wilson" <dwilson.lists at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>> 
>> 
>>> If you are wondering why sometimes LinkedIn prompts you with a captcha
>>> and
>>> sometimes not, you may want to read on:
>>> 
>>> QUOTE
>>> 
>>> Security Verification Prompts
>>> Why am I sometimes prompted for my password or to type in characters from
>>> an
>>> image shown on the security verification screen?
>>> 
>>> LinkedIn is committed to protecting the privacy and security of our
>>> members'
>>> information and maintaining the mutual trust we share with our community.
>>> 
>>> As part of our proactive efforts to keep our members and community safe
>>> from
>>> real and perceived threats, we vigorously monitor site activity. At
>>> various
>>> points in the LinkedIn site, you may be prompted to re-enter your
>>> password
>>> or you may be asked to type in distorted letters or numbers presented in
>>> a
>>> security challenge. CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to
>>> tell
>>> Computers and Humans Apart) is a security method commonly used by
>>> websites.
>>> This feature helps to distinguish human attempts to access the site from
>>> automatic, computer-generated attempts to access the site, a technique
>>> typically used by spammers.
>>> 
>>> At various times, you could experience an increase in CAPTCHA prompts. To
>>> reduce the number of times you see the security challenge during the day,
>>> you might consider the following actions:
>>> 
>>>  1. Enable cookies on your browser. (See your browser's help section.)
>>>  2. Ensure that you don't sign out each time you use LinkedIn during the
>>> day. We will remember your last login for a period of time which will
>>> allow
>>> you to bypass the login sequence (including the CAPTCHA prompt). We do
>>> recommend that you sign out at the end of each day.
>>> 
>>> If you have difficulty distinguishing a particular CAPTCHA image, you can
>>> click on the "Try a different image" link. Audio CAPTCHA is also
>>> available
>>> by clicking the audio icon found on the "Security Verification" page.
>>> Source:
>>> 
> http://linkedin.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linkedin.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_
>>> faqid=3065
>>> 
>>> The catch is, at least for me, that I cannot find the audio icon.  This
>>> means I cannot accesss my account - even with a password.  This issue
>>> will
>>> persist - especially for the totally blind - until it is addressed by
>>> LinkedIn.
>>> 
>>> END QUOTE
>>> 
>>> If you are on Twitter, I encourage you to pressure @LinkedIn to get their
>>> act together. See: http://ow.ly/2lKvs & http://ow.ly/2lKxU
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
>>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 12:37 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>> 
>>> Hello Chris and everyone,
>>> 
>>>   Upon reading the posts about this I checked for myself and was
>>> automatically logged in. Linked-In worked as it always does.
>>> 
>>> Peter Donahue
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Danielsen" <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wonder if this is only a problem with new accounts or only happens
>>> sometimes? Someone else on this list raised this issue last week but I
>>> was
>>> able to log into my own account with no problem.
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:34 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>> 
>>> Can you hit Control to silence JAWS?
>>> 
>>> Ah, the advantages of an external synth!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tom Ladis" <tom at tomladis.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:09 AM
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] LinkedIn Has Been Made Inaccessible To The Blind
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> 
>>>> I received an invitation to connect to colleagues from the past through
>>>> www.LinkedIn.com.  I have used LinkedIn in the past and been able to get
>>>> around with only a few problems.  It appears that they have added
>>>> real-time verification to the login process on top of the normal
>>>> username
>>>> and password.  They do offer the ability to have the image that they
>>>> present for real[-time verification, but the text is spoken at the same
>>>> time that JAWS announces the popup window.  This seems to me to be a
>>>> barrier and was not there the last time that I logged in to my account.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone else on here use LinkedIn?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Tom
>>>> 
>>>> 
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