[blindlaw] petition

Tue Jan 12 20:42:26 UTC 2010

It may sound as if I'm not in favor of NFB centers, however, I think they 
are doing tremendous work.  However, the states' rehab agencies are in real 
bad shape as far as their budgets are concerned.
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From: "E.J. Zufelt" <lists at zufelt.ca>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition


> Good afternoon,
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> As this is off topic I'd love to hear responses privately.
>
> As I live in Canada, where rehab centres for the blind are practically
> non-existent, I am curious to hear from those who have attended to get
> and understanding of the benefit such training centres can provide.
>
> Thanks,
> Everett
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> On 12-Jan-10, at 1:18 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I think you make a compelling argument.  That said, it seems most
>> states do
>> not bother to make proper investments in their state facilities.
>> Should a
>> person who is banking on one of these rehabilitation centers to
>> enhance
>> their self-sufficiency be punished for the state's lack of effort or
>> interest?  I chose not to attend an NFB center.  Yet it seems that
>> more
>> often than not people who do attend can show a good return on a
>> state's
>> investment.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:40 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>
>> With the budgets at this time, we can't afford it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>
>>
>>> How about we not have only NFB facilities.  I am a member of
>> the local NFB
>>> chapter but I don't believe their whole philosophy about
>> blindness.  There
>>> are some great points and there are some very strange ones.
>>>
>>> I agree that the NFB should pay but the fact is that they're
>> not.  They
>>> are
>>> tied in with many of the state agencies across the country.
>>>
>>> So, if a person needs to get the state to pay for that
>> institution, then
>>> they should go for it.  Rather than state agencies wasting money on
>>> frivolous things, they need to reorient their budget.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:33 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>
>>> You want blind individuals from those states having a
>> blindness center,
>>> funded by tax payer dollars, to be able to attend NFB centers
>> at those
>>> same
>>> tax payers expense.  That is just not right or fiscally
>> possible..  If the
>>> NFB wants these clients from states with blindness centers in place
>>> to
>>> attend NFB centers, they should establish scholarships or pay
>> the way with
>>> NFB funding.  The budgets' of states are stretched to the
>> limit.  States
>>> with blindness centers should not pay for clients to attend
>> NFB centers.
>>> There is a limited amount of resources in their budgets.  That is
>>> like
>>> saying a state agency should have to fund a education for a
>> consumer to
>>> attend Harvard if the student could qualify.  Again, there limitedf
>>> resources to work with in these cases.  If a consumer wants
>> to attend a
>>> private college, they need to pay the difference or get
>> scholarships to
>>> makeup the difference from what a state agency is able to
>> pay.  Usually,
>>> state agencies will pay for blind consumers to attend in-state
>>> institutions.
>>>
>>> You want an expensive college or an out of state college, you
>> must make up
>>> the difference.  The same should go for the consumer attending a NFB
>>> center
>>> if his or her state has a blindness center.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>
>>>
>>>> Go down to your local member of Congress office and complain
>> to them in
>>>> person.  Thats how you do things.  Everything else is really
>> not going to
>>>> do
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> You have to talk to the staff tell them what is going on.
>> Tell them why
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't work explain it to them because they have no idea
>> why things do
>>>> not
>>>> work, they are not in your shoes.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There have been allegations that in some states the state
>> agency does
>>>>> not
>>>>> want to pay for residents to go to out of state rehab
>> centers such as
>>>>> the
>>>>> NFB centers and rehab clients have had to request hearings and
>>>>> other
>>>>> things
>>>>> to be have the fees paid.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Dubin" <mdubin at pobox.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:26 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  The petition reads: "Blind consumers working with federal state
>>>>> agencies
>>>>>> for the blind and Visually Impaired should be allowed to attend
>>>>>> National
>>>>>> Federation of the blind training centers and they should
>> be fully paid
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> by said agencies in the U.S.A. Please rewrite...."
>>>>>> Would someone please explain to me what the problem is
>> that is being
>>>>>> experienced?
>>>>>> How are they being denied the right to attend NFB Training
>>>>>> Centers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> marc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc Dubin, Esq.
>>>>>> Director of Advocacy, Center for Independent Living of
>> South Florida
>>>>>> mdubin at pobox.com
>>>>>> Mobile: 305-896-3000
>>>>>> Fax: 877-731-3030
>>>>>> www.victimswithdisabilities.org
>>>>>> Chair, Florida Bar Disability Law Committee
>>>>>> http://disabilitylawcommittee.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> Former Senior Trial Attorney, U.S. Department of Justice 1993-2005
>>>>>> www.ada.gov
>>>>>> Former Special Counsel, Office on Violence Against Women, USDOJ
>>>>>> www.ovw.usdoj.gov/overview.htm
>>>>>> Founder & Executive Director, CAVNET    www.cavnet.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:08 AM
>>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, petitions put forth on Internet sites like this
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> if any real effect with Congress. It is much more
>> effective to use a
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> of actual letters that can electronically be submitted to
>> members of
>>>>>> Congress and/or state legislators. Working with many groups as a
>>>>>> consultant
>>>>>> on legislative issues I have raised this issue previously. While
>>>>>> consumers
>>>>>> definitely need a choice and self empowerment to attend
>> facilities of
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> choice for rehabilitation the Rehab Act of 1973 or any other
>>>>>> legislation
>>>>>> will not get rewritten using this format.
>>>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser"
>>>>>> <MisterAlexanderScottKaiser10301990 at gmx.com>
>>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:43 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> please read and sign
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>> http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2768/rewriting-us-rehabilitat
>> ion-act-1973
>>> /
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