[blindlaw] petition

Tue Jan 12 18:32:53 UTC 2010

Good afternoon,

As this is off topic I'd love to hear responses privately.

As I live in Canada, where rehab centres for the blind are practically  
non-existent, I am curious to hear from those who have attended to get  
and understanding of the benefit such training centres can provide.

Thanks,
Everett

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On 12-Jan-10, at 1:18 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:

> Steve,
>
> I think you make a compelling argument.  That said, it seems most  
> states do
> not bother to make proper investments in their state facilities.   
> Should a
> person who is banking on one of these rehabilitation centers to  
> enhance
> their self-sufficiency be punished for the state's lack of effort or
> interest?  I chose not to attend an NFB center.  Yet it seems that  
> more
> often than not people who do attend can show a good return on a  
> state's
> investment.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:40 AM
> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>
> With the budgets at this time, we can't afford it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WB" <mruniverse08 at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>
>
>> How about we not have only NFB facilities.  I am a member of
> the local NFB
>> chapter but I don't believe their whole philosophy about
> blindness.  There
>> are some great points and there are some very strange ones.
>>
>> I agree that the NFB should pay but the fact is that they're
> not.  They
>> are
>> tied in with many of the state agencies across the country.
>>
>> So, if a person needs to get the state to pay for that
> institution, then
>> they should go for it.  Rather than state agencies wasting money on
>> frivolous things, they need to reorient their budget.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve P. Deeley
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:33 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>
>> You want blind individuals from those states having a
> blindness center,
>> funded by tax payer dollars, to be able to attend NFB centers
> at those
>> same
>> tax payers expense.  That is just not right or fiscally
> possible..  If the
>> NFB wants these clients from states with blindness centers in place  
>> to
>> attend NFB centers, they should establish scholarships or pay
> the way with
>> NFB funding.  The budgets' of states are stretched to the
> limit.  States
>> with blindness centers should not pay for clients to attend
> NFB centers.
>> There is a limited amount of resources in their budgets.  That is  
>> like
>> saying a state agency should have to fund a education for a
> consumer to
>> attend Harvard if the student could qualify.  Again, there limitedf
>> resources to work with in these cases.  If a consumer wants
> to attend a
>> private college, they need to pay the difference or get
> scholarships to
>> makeup the difference from what a state agency is able to
> pay.  Usually,
>> state agencies will pay for blind consumers to attend in-state
>> institutions.
>>
>> You want an expensive college or an out of state college, you
> must make up
>> the difference.  The same should go for the consumer attending a NFB
>> center
>> if his or her state has a blindness center.
>>
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James Pepper" <b75205 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 12:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>
>>
>>> Go down to your local member of Congress office and complain
> to them in
>>> person.  Thats how you do things.  Everything else is really
> not going to
>>> do
>>> much.
>>>
>>> You have to talk to the staff tell them what is going on.
> Tell them why
>>> it
>>> doesn't work explain it to them because they have no idea
> why things do
>>> not
>>> work, they are not in your shoes.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 2:14 PM, <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There have been allegations that in some states the state
> agency does
>>>> not
>>>> want to pay for residents to go to out of state rehab
> centers such as
>>>> the
>>>> NFB centers and rehab clients have had to request hearings and  
>>>> other
>>>> things
>>>> to be have the fees paid.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Dubin" <mdubin at pobox.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:26 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The petition reads: "Blind consumers working with federal state
>>>> agencies
>>>>> for the blind and Visually Impaired should be allowed to attend
>>>>> National
>>>>> Federation of the blind training centers and they should
> be fully paid
>>>>> for
>>>>> by said agencies in the U.S.A. Please rewrite...."
>>>>> Would someone please explain to me what the problem is
> that is being
>>>>> experienced?
>>>>> How are they being denied the right to attend NFB Training  
>>>>> Centers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> marc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marc Dubin, Esq.
>>>>> Director of Advocacy, Center for Independent Living of
> South Florida
>>>>> mdubin at pobox.com
>>>>> Mobile: 305-896-3000
>>>>> Fax: 877-731-3030
>>>>> www.victimswithdisabilities.org
>>>>> Chair, Florida Bar Disability Law Committee
>>>>> http://disabilitylawcommittee.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Former Senior Trial Attorney, U.S. Department of Justice 1993-2005
>>>>> www.ada.gov
>>>>> Former Special Counsel, Office on Violence Against Women, USDOJ
>>>>> www.ovw.usdoj.gov/overview.htm
>>>>> Founder & Executive Director, CAVNET    www.cavnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of ckrugman at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:08 AM
>>>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, petitions put forth on Internet sites like this  
>>>>> have
>>>>> little
>>>>> if any real effect with Congress. It is much more
> effective to use a
>>>>> system
>>>>> of actual letters that can electronically be submitted to
> members of
>>>>> Congress and/or state legislators. Working with many groups as a
>>>>> consultant
>>>>> on legislative issues I have raised this issue previously. While
>>>>> consumers
>>>>> definitely need a choice and self empowerment to attend
> facilities of
>>>>> their
>>>>> choice for rehabilitation the Rehab Act of 1973 or any other
>>>>> legislation
>>>>> will not get rewritten using this format.
>>>>> Chuck Krugman, M.S.W., Paralegal
>>>>> 1237 P Street
>>>>> Fresno ca 93721
>>>>> 559-266-9237
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser"
>>>>> <MisterAlexanderScottKaiser10301990 at gmx.com>
>>>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:43 AM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] petition
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> please read and sign
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
> http://www.petition2congress.com/2/2768/rewriting-us-rehabilitat
> ion-act-1973
>> /
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