[blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado

Steve P. Deeley stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
Mon Mar 22 16:44:26 UTC 2010 

How do you propose to pay for this stuff?

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado


> She is correct, I went to the same center she is refuring to, and they 
> told
> me I wasn't college materal, and my best bet was flipping hamburgers. Now,
> If we can get back to her question, hopefuly, there is a lawyer on here 
> who
> can answer her question as far as the rehabilitation act of 1973 is
> concerned.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and 
> Colorado
>
>
>> The thing is that the Daytona center in Florida is not comprable.
>> I've heard more than one horror story about it, and anybody in Florida
>> who's on this list can attest to that.  They don't use the cane as the
>> NFB suggests.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 3/21/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>> I have posted on this subject in the past and caught some real junk from
>>> those belonging to the NFB.  I am not a FNFB basher, as a matter of 
>>> fact,
>>> I
>>> agree with a great deal of their philosophies.  I'll say this to you:
>>> You should get as much out of the center in your area that you can while
>>> attempting to get funding for your trip to the Colorado program.  If it
>>> doesn't work out then ask for some assistance to get to Colorado.  The
>>> The
>>> Budgets' of the various state Rehabilitation services are really in bad
>>> shape.  There a lot of consumers who are attempting to be served and 
>>> have
>>> educational and vocational needs.  Someone in the NFB told me that a
>>> rehabilitation agency should have to pay for a gifted student to attend
>>> Harvard.  That is absolutely absurd.  There is only so much money to go
>>> around during these difficult times.
>>> Here is another point for you to consider:  In Kentucky: a client has
>>> been
>>> fighting with the Kentucky Office for the Blind for well over two years
>>> in
>>> order to get a trip to one of the NFB Centers.  This person has wasted
>>> over
>>> two years of his life fighting the agency.  He did not attend the
>>> McDowell
>>> Center while fighting this out in various administrative processes and 
>>> in
>>> court.  This person could have been working his rehab plan while trying
>>> to
>>> get a trip to an NFB Center.  This consumer chose not to follow that
>>> path.
>>> I think he made a huge mistake.  He should have been attending the
>>> McDowell
>>> Center while fighting his battles with the Kentucky Office for the 
>>> Blind.
>>> He will not get back those two or three years of his life.  I don't know
>>> if
>>> the case has been resolved as of this posting.
>>>
>>> Steve Deeley
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:28 AM
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:59 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You have all made good points.  I do have a question: how can I best
>>>>> get the state agency to pay for Colorado and not give me hell about
>>>>> the money?  I'm seriously trying to find where it says in Section 504
>>>>> of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, but it says stuff about programs
>>>>> that receive federal funding.  NFB centers to my knowledge don't get
>>>>> that, so I don't know how NFB centers apply.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/20/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, with all do respect, I would not make a decision based solely
>>>>>> upon
>>>>>> hearing about one bad experience any more than I would on the cost of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> airline ticket. Just because someone else had a bad experience does
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> necessarily mean that you will experience the same. Everyone goes to 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> training center at different stages of accepting their blindness and
>>>>>> possibly their identity as simply just another person in this world
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> happens to be blind. So I think maturity can also play a role in how
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> you get out of a training center as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And as far as learning specific skills like learning how to ride a
>>>>>> subway, I
>>>>>> do not think it really matters which center you choose because I 
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> three would prepare you to perform this skill. I know of several
>>>>>> graduates
>>>>>> from the Louisiana Center who ride the subway just fine. The key
>>>>>> ingredient
>>>>>> is confidence in thinking that you can perform a skill no matter what
>>>>>> kind
>>>>>> of situation you may encounter along the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:40:28 -0400
>>>>>>> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I have. The thing that bothers me is that one girl didn't like
>>>>>>> Louisiana as much as the other two people I've spoken to. Then, I
>>>>>>> haven't spoken to anybody in Colorado student wise. But I spoke with
>>>>>>> the director, so she says it's nice over there. She even gave me a
>>>>>>> good reason to consider it. But I am having to decide quick because 
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> want to leave in May, and the state agency doesn't want to paqy in
>>>>>>> full. Now, of course, we're not sure they're willing to pay at all.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Honestly, you should probably consider lots of things way before
>>>>>>> > plane
>>>>>>> > fares. The three training centers are not exact copies of each
>>>>>>> > other.
>>>>>>> > Have
>>>>>>> > you spoken with the directors or students of each center to gauge
>>>>>>> > opinions?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>>> > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> > From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:28 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Then what must I decide or what must my decision be based on? Now
>>>>>>> >> that I know there's no nonstop service from Orlando to Monroe,
>>>>>>> >> I've
>>>>>>> >> got something in my favor, but what should the decision be based
>>>>>>> >> upon?
>>>>>>> >> Beth
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> Beth,
>>>>>>> >>> I did a quick check at dates in April, and the cheapest to 
>>>>>>> >>> Denver
>>>>>>> >>> looks
>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>> >>> be around $211 with the cheapest tickets coming from Delta.
>>>>>>> >>> Midwest Airlines offers a nonstop route for $259 on various
>>>>>>> >>> dates.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> As for Monroe, the cheapest dates in April offer a fare of $244
>>>>>>> >>> roundtrip,
>>>>>>> >>> also from Delta. There is no nonstop service from Orlando to
>>>>>>> >>> Monroe.
>>>>>>> >>> Prices for airline tickets change wildly, but there really
>>>>>>> >>> doesn't
>>>>>>> >>> seem
>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>> >>> be a lot of difference between the two, and I wouldn't base my
>>>>>>> >>> decision
>>>>>>> >>> on
>>>>>>> >>> which training center to visit purely on who has the cheapest
>>>>>>> >>> flights.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>>> >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> >>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB of Florida Listserv"
>>>>>>> >>> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 1:24 PM
>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> Hi, guys. As luck would have it, I am looking at plane fares 
>>>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>> >>>> both
>>>>>>> >>>> Louisiana and Colorado so that I can get a cheaper bid on a
>>>>>>> >>>> training
>>>>>>> >>>> center, possibly Colorado. How much is it to fly, say, from
>>>>>>> >>>> Orlando
>>>>>>> >>>> to Denver versus Orlando to Monroe, Louisiana? I'd like to know
>>>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>> >>>> what airlines you went with and so that I cancompare the 
>>>>>>> >>>> prices.
>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> >>>> Beth
>>>>>>> >>>>
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