[blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado

Mon Mar 22 19:16:46 UTC 2010

Steve, with all do respect, are you a Lawyer? My friend asked a question 
concerning law. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado


> How do you propose to pay for this stuff?
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and 
> Colorado
>
>
>> She is correct, I went to the same center she is refuring to, and they 
>> told
>> me I wasn't college materal, and my best bet was flipping hamburgers. 
>> Now,
>> If we can get back to her question, hopefuly, there is a lawyer on here 
>> who
>> can answer her question as far as the rehabilitation act of 1973 is
>> concerned.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and 
>> Colorado
>>
>>
>>> The thing is that the Daytona center in Florida is not comprable.
>>> I've heard more than one horror story about it, and anybody in Florida
>>> who's on this list can attest to that.  They don't use the cane as the
>>> NFB suggests.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 3/21/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>> I have posted on this subject in the past and caught some real junk 
>>>> from
>>>> those belonging to the NFB.  I am not a FNFB basher, as a matter of 
>>>> fact,
>>>> I
>>>> agree with a great deal of their philosophies.  I'll say this to you:
>>>> You should get as much out of the center in your area that you can 
>>>> while
>>>> attempting to get funding for your trip to the Colorado program.  If it
>>>> doesn't work out then ask for some assistance to get to Colorado.  The
>>>> The
>>>> Budgets' of the various state Rehabilitation services are really in bad
>>>> shape.  There a lot of consumers who are attempting to be served and 
>>>> have
>>>> educational and vocational needs.  Someone in the NFB told me that a
>>>> rehabilitation agency should have to pay for a gifted student to attend
>>>> Harvard.  That is absolutely absurd.  There is only so much money to go
>>>> around during these difficult times.
>>>> Here is another point for you to consider:  In Kentucky: a client has
>>>> been
>>>> fighting with the Kentucky Office for the Blind for well over two years
>>>> in
>>>> order to get a trip to one of the NFB Centers.  This person has wasted
>>>> over
>>>> two years of his life fighting the agency.  He did not attend the
>>>> McDowell
>>>> Center while fighting this out in various administrative processes and 
>>>> in
>>>> court.  This person could have been working his rehab plan while trying
>>>> to
>>>> get a trip to an NFB Center.  This consumer chose not to follow that
>>>> path.
>>>> I think he made a huge mistake.  He should have been attending the
>>>> McDowell
>>>> Center while fighting his battles with the Kentucky Office for the 
>>>> Blind.
>>>> He will not get back those two or three years of his life.  I don't 
>>>> know
>>>> if
>>>> the case has been resolved as of this posting.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Deeley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:28 AM
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:59 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have all made good points.  I do have a question: how can I best
>>>>>> get the state agency to pay for Colorado and not give me hell about
>>>>>> the money?  I'm seriously trying to find where it says in Section 504
>>>>>> of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, but it says stuff about programs
>>>>>> that receive federal funding.  NFB centers to my knowledge don't get
>>>>>> that, so I don't know how NFB centers apply.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/20/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, with all do respect, I would not make a decision based solely
>>>>>>> upon
>>>>>>> hearing about one bad experience any more than I would on the cost 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> airline ticket. Just because someone else had a bad experience does
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> necessarily mean that you will experience the same. Everyone goes to 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> training center at different stages of accepting their blindness and
>>>>>>> possibly their identity as simply just another person in this world
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> happens to be blind. So I think maturity can also play a role in how
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> you get out of a training center as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And as far as learning specific skills like learning how to ride a
>>>>>>> subway, I
>>>>>>> do not think it really matters which center you choose because I 
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> three would prepare you to perform this skill. I know of several
>>>>>>> graduates
>>>>>>> from the Louisiana Center who ride the subway just fine. The key
>>>>>>> ingredient
>>>>>>> is confidence in thinking that you can perform a skill no matter 
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>> of situation you may encounter along the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:40:28 -0400
>>>>>>>> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, I have. The thing that bothers me is that one girl didn't like
>>>>>>>> Louisiana as much as the other two people I've spoken to. Then, I
>>>>>>>> haven't spoken to anybody in Colorado student wise. But I spoke 
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the director, so she says it's nice over there. She even gave me a
>>>>>>>> good reason to consider it. But I am having to decide quick because 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> want to leave in May, and the state agency doesn't want to paqy in
>>>>>>>> full. Now, of course, we're not sure they're willing to pay at all.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Honestly, you should probably consider lots of things way before
>>>>>>>> > plane
>>>>>>>> > fares. The three training centers are not exact copies of each
>>>>>>>> > other.
>>>>>>>> > Have
>>>>>>>> > you spoken with the directors or students of each center to gauge
>>>>>>>> > opinions?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>>>> > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> > From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:28 PM
>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >> Then what must I decide or what must my decision be based on? 
>>>>>>>> >> Now
>>>>>>>> >> that I know there's no nonstop service from Orlando to Monroe,
>>>>>>>> >> I've
>>>>>>>> >> got something in my favor, but what should the decision be based
>>>>>>>> >> upon?
>>>>>>>> >> Beth
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>> Beth,
>>>>>>>> >>> I did a quick check at dates in April, and the cheapest to 
>>>>>>>> >>> Denver
>>>>>>>> >>> looks
>>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>>> >>> be around $211 with the cheapest tickets coming from Delta.
>>>>>>>> >>> Midwest Airlines offers a nonstop route for $259 on various
>>>>>>>> >>> dates.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> As for Monroe, the cheapest dates in April offer a fare of $244
>>>>>>>> >>> roundtrip,
>>>>>>>> >>> also from Delta. There is no nonstop service from Orlando to
>>>>>>>> >>> Monroe.
>>>>>>>> >>> Prices for airline tickets change wildly, but there really
>>>>>>>> >>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> >>> seem
>>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>>> >>> be a lot of difference between the two, and I wouldn't base my
>>>>>>>> >>> decision
>>>>>>>> >>> on
>>>>>>>> >>> which training center to visit purely on who has the cheapest
>>>>>>>> >>> flights.
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>>>> >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> >>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB of Florida Listserv"
>>>>>>>> >>> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 1:24 PM
>>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi, guys. As luck would have it, I am looking at plane fares 
>>>>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>> >>>> both
>>>>>>>> >>>> Louisiana and Colorado so that I can get a cheaper bid on a
>>>>>>>> >>>> training
>>>>>>>> >>>> center, possibly Colorado. How much is it to fly, say, from
>>>>>>>> >>>> Orlando
>>>>>>>> >>>> to Denver versus Orlando to Monroe, Louisiana? I'd like to 
>>>>>>>> >>>> know
>>>>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>> >>>> what airlines you went with and so that I cancompare the 
>>>>>>>> >>>> prices.
>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> >>>> Beth
>>>>>>>> >>>>
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