[blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado

Steve P. Deeley stevep.deeley at insightbb.com
Mon Mar 22 16:46:05 UTC 2010


Again, I am talking how will this be paid for???  I suggest that NFB foot 
the bills for those who want to attend NFB centers.
Steeve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado


> The thing is that the Daytona center in Florida is not comprable.
> I've heard more than one horror story about it, and anybody in Florida
> who's on this list can attest to that.  They don't use the cane as the
> NFB suggests.
> Beth
>
> On 3/21/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>> I have posted on this subject in the past and caught some real junk from
>> those belonging to the NFB.  I am not a FNFB basher, as a matter of fact, 
>> I
>> agree with a great deal of their philosophies.  I'll say this to you:
>> You should get as much out of the center in your area that you can while
>> attempting to get funding for your trip to the Colorado program.  If it
>> doesn't work out then ask for some assistance to get to Colorado.  The 
>> The
>> Budgets' of the various state Rehabilitation services are really in bad
>> shape.  There a lot of consumers who are attempting to be served and have
>> educational and vocational needs.  Someone in the NFB told me that a
>> rehabilitation agency should have to pay for a gifted student to attend
>> Harvard.  That is absolutely absurd.  There is only so much money to go
>> around during these difficult times.
>> Here is another point for you to consider:  In Kentucky: a client has 
>> been
>> fighting with the Kentucky Office for the Blind for well over two years 
>> in
>> order to get a trip to one of the NFB Centers.  This person has wasted 
>> over
>> two years of his life fighting the agency.  He did not attend the 
>> McDowell
>> Center while fighting this out in various administrative processes and in
>> court.  This person could have been working his rehab plan while trying 
>> to
>> get a trip to an NFB Center.  This consumer chose not to follow that 
>> path.
>> I think he made a huge mistake.  He should have been attending the 
>> McDowell
>> Center while fighting his battles with the Kentucky Office for the Blind.
>> He will not get back those two or three years of his life.  I don't know 
>> if
>> the case has been resolved as of this posting.
>>
>> Steve Deeley
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:28 AM
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>
>>>
>>>> You have all made good points.  I do have a question: how can I best
>>>> get the state agency to pay for Colorado and not give me hell about
>>>> the money?  I'm seriously trying to find where it says in Section 504
>>>> of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, but it says stuff about programs
>>>> that receive federal funding.  NFB centers to my knowledge don't get
>>>> that, so I don't know how NFB centers apply.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> On 3/20/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, with all do respect, I would not make a decision based solely 
>>>>> upon
>>>>> hearing about one bad experience any more than I would on the cost of
>>>>> the
>>>>> airline ticket. Just because someone else had a bad experience does 
>>>>> not
>>>>> necessarily mean that you will experience the same. Everyone goes to a
>>>>> training center at different stages of accepting their blindness and
>>>>> possibly their identity as simply just another person in this world 
>>>>> who
>>>>> happens to be blind. So I think maturity can also play a role in how
>>>>> much
>>>>> you get out of a training center as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> And as far as learning specific skills like learning how to ride a
>>>>> subway, I
>>>>> do not think it really matters which center you choose because I think
>>>>> all
>>>>> three would prepare you to perform this skill. I know of several
>>>>> graduates
>>>>> from the Louisiana Center who ride the subway just fine. The key
>>>>> ingredient
>>>>> is confidence in thinking that you can perform a skill no matter what
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of situation you may encounter along the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:40:28 -0400
>>>>>> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I have. The thing that bothers me is that one girl didn't like
>>>>>> Louisiana as much as the other two people I've spoken to. Then, I
>>>>>> haven't spoken to anybody in Colorado student wise. But I spoke with
>>>>>> the director, so she says it's nice over there. She even gave me a
>>>>>> good reason to consider it. But I am having to decide quick because I
>>>>>> want to leave in May, and the state agency doesn't want to paqy in
>>>>>> full. Now, of course, we're not sure they're willing to pay at all.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Honestly, you should probably consider lots of things way before
>>>>>> > plane
>>>>>> > fares. The three training centers are not exact copies of each 
>>>>>> > other.
>>>>>> > Have
>>>>>> > you spoken with the directors or students of each center to gauge
>>>>>> > opinions?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>> > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> > From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:28 PM
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Then what must I decide or what must my decision be based on? Now
>>>>>> >> that I know there's no nonstop service from Orlando to Monroe, 
>>>>>> >> I've
>>>>>> >> got something in my favor, but what should the decision be based
>>>>>> >> upon?
>>>>>> >> Beth
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> Beth,
>>>>>> >>> I did a quick check at dates in April, and the cheapest to Denver
>>>>>> >>> looks
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>> be around $211 with the cheapest tickets coming from Delta.
>>>>>> >>> Midwest Airlines offers a nonstop route for $259 on various 
>>>>>> >>> dates.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> As for Monroe, the cheapest dates in April offer a fare of $244
>>>>>> >>> roundtrip,
>>>>>> >>> also from Delta. There is no nonstop service from Orlando to
>>>>>> >>> Monroe.
>>>>>> >>> Prices for airline tickets change wildly, but there really 
>>>>>> >>> doesn't
>>>>>> >>> seem
>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>> >>> be a lot of difference between the two, and I wouldn't base my
>>>>>> >>> decision
>>>>>> >>> on
>>>>>> >>> which training center to visit purely on who has the cheapest
>>>>>> >>> flights.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>> >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB of Florida Listserv" 
>>>>>> >>> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 1:24 PM
>>>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Hi, guys. As luck would have it, I am looking at plane fares for
>>>>>> >>>> both
>>>>>> >>>> Louisiana and Colorado so that I can get a cheaper bid on a
>>>>>> >>>> training
>>>>>> >>>> center, possibly Colorado. How much is it to fly, say, from
>>>>>> >>>> Orlando
>>>>>> >>>> to Denver versus Orlando to Monroe, Louisiana? I'd like to know
>>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>> >>>> what airlines you went with and so that I cancompare the prices.
>>>>>> >>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> >>>> Beth
>>>>>> >>>>
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