[blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado

Tue Mar 23 10:46:02 UTC 2010

No, I just want to know your opinion on paying for this sort of thing.  This 
is sort of paying for healthcare, don't you think?  The states are broke and 
running  deficits.  How long have you worked in the field of 
rehabilitation?]

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado

> Steve, with all do respect, are you a Lawyer? My friend asked a question
> concerning law. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and 
> Colorado
>
>
>> How do you propose to pay for this stuff?
>>
>> Steve
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and
>> Colorado
>>
>>
>>> She is correct, I went to the same center she is refuring to, and they
>>> told
>>> me I wasn't college materal, and my best bet was flipping hamburgers.
>>> Now,
>>> If we can get back to her question, hopefuly, there is a lawyer on here
>>> who
>>> can answer her question as far as the rehabilitation act of 1973 is
>>> concerned.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:14 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and
>>> Colorado
>>>
>>>
>>>> The thing is that the Daytona center in Florida is not comprable.
>>>> I've heard more than one horror story about it, and anybody in Florida
>>>> who's on this list can attest to that.  They don't use the cane as the
>>>> NFB suggests.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> On 3/21/10, Steve P. Deeley <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have posted on this subject in the past and caught some real junk
>>>>> from
>>>>> those belonging to the NFB.  I am not a FNFB basher, as a matter of
>>>>> fact,
>>>>> I
>>>>> agree with a great deal of their philosophies.  I'll say this to you:
>>>>> You should get as much out of the center in your area that you can
>>>>> while
>>>>> attempting to get funding for your trip to the Colorado program.  If 
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't work out then ask for some assistance to get to Colorado.  The
>>>>> The
>>>>> Budgets' of the various state Rehabilitation services are really in 
>>>>> bad
>>>>> shape.  There a lot of consumers who are attempting to be served and
>>>>> have
>>>>> educational and vocational needs.  Someone in the NFB told me that a
>>>>> rehabilitation agency should have to pay for a gifted student to 
>>>>> attend
>>>>> Harvard.  That is absolutely absurd.  There is only so much money to 
>>>>> go
>>>>> around during these difficult times.
>>>>> Here is another point for you to consider:  In Kentucky: a client has
>>>>> been
>>>>> fighting with the Kentucky Office for the Blind for well over two 
>>>>> years
>>>>> in
>>>>> order to get a trip to one of the NFB Centers.  This person has wasted
>>>>> over
>>>>> two years of his life fighting the agency.  He did not attend the
>>>>> McDowell
>>>>> Center while fighting this out in various administrative processes and
>>>>> in
>>>>> court.  This person could have been working his rehab plan while 
>>>>> trying
>>>>> to
>>>>> get a trip to an NFB Center.  This consumer chose not to follow that
>>>>> path.
>>>>> I think he made a huge mistake.  He should have been attending the
>>>>> McDowell
>>>>> Center while fighting his battles with the Kentucky Office for the
>>>>> Blind.
>>>>> He will not get back those two or three years of his life.  I don't
>>>>> know
>>>>> if
>>>>> the case has been resolved as of this posting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Deeley
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:28 AM
>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Fw: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and 
>>>>> Colorado
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:59 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have all made good points.  I do have a question: how can I best
>>>>>>> get the state agency to pay for Colorado and not give me hell about
>>>>>>> the money?  I'm seriously trying to find where it says in Section 
>>>>>>> 504
>>>>>>> of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, but it says stuff about programs
>>>>>>> that receive federal funding.  NFB centers to my knowledge don't get
>>>>>>> that, so I don't know how NFB centers apply.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/20/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, with all do respect, I would not make a decision based solely
>>>>>>>> upon
>>>>>>>> hearing about one bad experience any more than I would on the cost
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> airline ticket. Just because someone else had a bad experience does
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> necessarily mean that you will experience the same. Everyone goes 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> training center at different stages of accepting their blindness 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> possibly their identity as simply just another person in this world
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> happens to be blind. So I think maturity can also play a role in 
>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> you get out of a training center as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And as far as learning specific skills like learning how to ride a
>>>>>>>> subway, I
>>>>>>>> do not think it really matters which center you choose because I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> three would prepare you to perform this skill. I know of several
>>>>>>>> graduates
>>>>>>>> from the Louisiana Center who ride the subway just fine. The key
>>>>>>>> ingredient
>>>>>>>> is confidence in thinking that you can perform a skill no matter
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>> of situation you may encounter along the way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:40:28 -0400
>>>>>>>>> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I have. The thing that bothers me is that one girl didn't 
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> Louisiana as much as the other two people I've spoken to. Then, I
>>>>>>>>> haven't spoken to anybody in Colorado student wise. But I spoke
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the director, so she says it's nice over there. She even gave me a
>>>>>>>>> good reason to consider it. But I am having to decide quick 
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> want to leave in May, and the state agency doesn't want to paqy in
>>>>>>>>> full. Now, of course, we're not sure they're willing to pay at 
>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Honestly, you should probably consider lots of things way before
>>>>>>>>> > plane
>>>>>>>>> > fares. The three training centers are not exact copies of each
>>>>>>>>> > other.
>>>>>>>>> > Have
>>>>>>>>> > you spoken with the directors or students of each center to 
>>>>>>>>> > gauge
>>>>>>>>> > opinions?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>>>>> > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> > From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:28 PM
>>>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> Then what must I decide or what must my decision be based on?
>>>>>>>>> >> Now
>>>>>>>>> >> that I know there's no nonstop service from Orlando to Monroe,
>>>>>>>>> >> I've
>>>>>>>>> >> got something in my favor, but what should the decision be 
>>>>>>>>> >> based
>>>>>>>>> >> upon?
>>>>>>>>> >> Beth
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On 3/20/10, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>> >>> I did a quick check at dates in April, and the cheapest to
>>>>>>>>> >>> Denver
>>>>>>>>> >>> looks
>>>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>>>> >>> be around $211 with the cheapest tickets coming from Delta.
>>>>>>>>> >>> Midwest Airlines offers a nonstop route for $259 on various
>>>>>>>>> >>> dates.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> As for Monroe, the cheapest dates in April offer a fare of 
>>>>>>>>> >>> $244
>>>>>>>>> >>> roundtrip,
>>>>>>>>> >>> also from Delta. There is no nonstop service from Orlando to
>>>>>>>>> >>> Monroe.
>>>>>>>>> >>> Prices for airline tickets change wildly, but there really
>>>>>>>>> >>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> >>> seem
>>>>>>>>> >>> to
>>>>>>>>> >>> be a lot of difference between the two, and I wouldn't base my
>>>>>>>>> >>> decision
>>>>>>>>> >>> on
>>>>>>>>> >>> which training center to visit purely on who has the cheapest
>>>>>>>>> >>> flights.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>>>>>>>>> >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor
>>>>>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> >>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB of Florida Listserv"
>>>>>>>>> >>> <nfbf-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 1:24 PM
>>>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] plane fares for Louisiana and Colorado
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi, guys. As luck would have it, I am looking at plane fares
>>>>>>>>> >>>> for
>>>>>>>>> >>>> both
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Louisiana and Colorado so that I can get a cheaper bid on a
>>>>>>>>> >>>> training
>>>>>>>>> >>>> center, possibly Colorado. How much is it to fly, say, from
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Orlando
>>>>>>>>> >>>> to Denver versus Orlando to Monroe, Louisiana? I'd like to
>>>>>>>>> >>>> know
>>>>>>>>> >>>> also
>>>>>>>>> >>>> what airlines you went with and so that I cancompare the
>>>>>>>>> >>>> prices.
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> >>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>> >>>>
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