[blindlaw] blind attorneys

Wed Nov 24 01:48:34 UTC 2010

That is because Canada is a socialist nation.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys


> Good point Blain.
> IF that were "required" in the U.S. the same result may append itself to
> U.S. graduates.
> I like it.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
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>> This is why Canadian Law students have somewhat of an advantage over
>> American students.  before you take the Bar you are required to do one
>> year
>> of what they call artickling.  This is where you go and work in a Law
>> firm.
>> A lot of Law students that attend  a Law school in Canada find that that
>> one
>> year helps then gain employment and if you're really good or they like 
>> you
>> then you might get reemploied after you pass the bar.  Some firms might
>> pay
>> for you to take the bar if they feel that you will be a real assit to the
>> firm.
>>
>> Blaine
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <awilusa at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:06 AM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>
>>
>>        my name is Girmai Kahsai. I graduated from law school and acquired
>> my bar license in 2009. I have been applying for a job for more than a
>> year.
>> I have had interviews and I believe I was not selected for employment in
>> some cases due to discrimination tacit or otherwise whenever the
>> interviewers discovered that I am blind. federal and state agencies
>> require
>> experience which is a hurdle for new attorney. due to other obligations, 
>> I
>> am seeking gainful employment in other areaas which may help me to move 
>> to
>> attorney position in the long run.  I have been a lawyer for fourteen
>> years
>> in another country and I have no doubt that law is the best profession
>> that
>> would not require sight. nonetheless due to innumberable challenges such
>> as
>> the current economic crisis, bias etc. employment is evading me. but I
>> would
>> like to stress that with proper planning and preparation newly graduated
>> blind attorneys have the chance of employment. the prospective blind
>> lawyer
>> should work as intern duringg summers in federal or state agencies,
>> participate in nmoot court competitions, law school journal etc. these
>> experiences would give the blind lawyer an edge in the search for
>> employment. employers consider these experiences during the hiring
>> process.
>> the formation of a nonprofit organization for the provision of legal aid
>> should be explored as an alternative option by a blind attorney. the 
>> legal
>> profession is extremely broad and can be applied flexibly depending on 
>> the
>> creativity of the blind attorney individual. I  would like to encourage
>> blind individuals with stamina and skills to strive to study law.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: James Weisberg
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:56 PM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>
>> My experience is similar Noel.  My point:  numerically speaking the 
>> effort
>> of the credentials are not worth the "chance" you will be one of the
>> "lucky"
>> one's to get a job offer.  Congrats on making it into the public sector 
>> as
>> I
>> believe that is the place for those such as us with vision problems and
>> law
>> degrees.  I am currently in the process of waiting for a job interview
>> with
>> the Fed myself!
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:28 PM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>
>> James:
>>
>> I have lost track of your original point.   I hope this response is on
>> target.
>>
>> I was blind during law school, worked as a summer associate for a
>> nationally-known firm, and received a job offer as a result of my work
>> during that summer.  I was employed by that firm for over five years.  I
>> now
>> practice for the federal government.
>>
>> I know of others as well who were blind before law school who got jobs at
>> private firms.
>>
>> I also know that tremendous discrimination occurs but my own experience
>> tells me that it is entirely possible for a blind person to receive 
>> offers
>> of employment to practice in the private sector.
>>
>> Noel Nightingale
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of James Weisberg
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:48 AM
>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>
>> I have to distinguish, I'm getting back to Dave's comments below again
>> now,
>> between employed blind lawyers who lost sight AFTER they had been 
>> employed
>> and developed a rep before going blind as being competent from those who
>> are
>> blind and thus never given the opportunity to develop such a rep unless
>> they
>> can do it on their own as I have.  I just don't count blind lawyers in my
>> calculation if they lost their sight after they were established because
>> my
>> point is NOT whether or not a blind person can do the work, I know as I
>> have
>> been doing it for over ten years now.  My point is the effort for the
>> credentials compared with the likelihood of a job offer means go for
>> something else . . . that's all.  So I too would love the numbers on 
>> blind
>> lawyers never offered employment compared against employed blind lawyers
>> who
>> were blind prior to ever practicing!!  I'm betting close to
>> "astronomical."
>> *smile*
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of mfhurley at optonline.net
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:29 AM
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>
>> Prospects for blind lawyers were not good in a great ecomony.  I agree
>> with
>> Dennis' post wholeheartedly.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Andrews
>> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:26 am
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>
>>> James:
>>>
>>> I would like to suggest that the unemployment rate for blind
>>> persons
>>> in most all, if not all fields of endeavor is low. While my
>>> evidence
>>> is anecdotal, I don't think that it is necessarily any worse for
>>> blind lawyers. Over the years I have known a bunch of blind
>>> lawyers,
>>> who are working.
>>>
>>> From what I read, the prospect for all lawyers isn't that good
>>> right
>>> now, so it is hard to separate the blindness penalty from the
>>> bad
>>> economy penalty.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 05:55 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote:
>>> >Based upon my experience, Berkeley grad, top tier law grad,
>>> ZERO job offers
>>> >despite NEVER not getting an interview, combined with the
>>> extremely low
>>> >numbers of blind attorneys I can't think of what there might be
>>> to discuss.
>>> >My advice to anyone with vision issues considering law as a
>>> career is to not
>>> >waste their time or money they have a greater chance statistically,
>>> >probably, of getting hit by lightening on the way to law class
>>> than ever
>>> >getting an offer of employment. Now if you come from money, forget
>>> >everything I have said and just open your own firm! THAT IS
>>> THE WAY IT IS!
>>> >But there are always EXCEPTIONS. I personally wouldn't want to
>>> invest the
>>> >time and money law school requires on the hopes I'll be an exception.
>>>
>>>
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