[blindlaw] blind attorneys

Jorge Paez jorgeapaez at mac.com
Wed Nov 24 01:51:43 UTC 2010 

Out rages!
Employ someone who hasn't passed the BAR?
Unless of course its some sort of internship.


On Nov 23, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Steve P. Deeley wrote:

> That is because Canada is a socialist nation.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Doerr" <rumpole at roadrunner.com>
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
> 
> 
>> Good point Blain.
>> IF that were "required" in the U.S. the same result may append itself to
>> U.S. graduates.
>> I like it.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blaine Deutscher" <b.m.deutscher at sasktel.net>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 1:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>> 
>> 
>>> This is why Canadian Law students have somewhat of an advantage over
>>> American students.  before you take the Bar you are required to do one
>>> year
>>> of what they call artickling.  This is where you go and work in a Law
>>> firm.
>>> A lot of Law students that attend  a Law school in Canada find that that
>>> one
>>> year helps then gain employment and if you're really good or they like you
>>> then you might get reemploied after you pass the bar.  Some firms might
>>> pay
>>> for you to take the bar if they feel that you will be a real assit to the
>>> firm.
>>> 
>>> Blaine
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <awilusa at yahoo.com>
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>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 11:06 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       my name is Girmai Kahsai. I graduated from law school and acquired
>>> my bar license in 2009. I have been applying for a job for more than a
>>> year.
>>> I have had interviews and I believe I was not selected for employment in
>>> some cases due to discrimination tacit or otherwise whenever the
>>> interviewers discovered that I am blind. federal and state agencies
>>> require
>>> experience which is a hurdle for new attorney. due to other obligations, I
>>> am seeking gainful employment in other areaas which may help me to move to
>>> attorney position in the long run.  I have been a lawyer for fourteen
>>> years
>>> in another country and I have no doubt that law is the best profession
>>> that
>>> would not require sight. nonetheless due to innumberable challenges such
>>> as
>>> the current economic crisis, bias etc. employment is evading me. but I
>>> would
>>> like to stress that with proper planning and preparation newly graduated
>>> blind attorneys have the chance of employment. the prospective blind
>>> lawyer
>>> should work as intern duringg summers in federal or state agencies,
>>> participate in nmoot court competitions, law school journal etc. these
>>> experiences would give the blind lawyer an edge in the search for
>>> employment. employers consider these experiences during the hiring
>>> process.
>>> the formation of a nonprofit organization for the provision of legal aid
>>> should be explored as an alternative option by a blind attorney. the legal
>>> profession is extremely broad and can be applied flexibly depending on the
>>> creativity of the blind attorney individual. I  would like to encourage
>>> blind individuals with stamina and skills to strive to study law.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Weisberg
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:56 PM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> 
>>> My experience is similar Noel.  My point:  numerically speaking the effort
>>> of the credentials are not worth the "chance" you will be one of the
>>> "lucky"
>>> one's to get a job offer.  Congrats on making it into the public sector as
>>> I
>>> believe that is the place for those such as us with vision problems and
>>> law
>>> degrees.  I am currently in the process of waiting for a job interview
>>> with
>>> the Fed myself!
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:28 PM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> 
>>> James:
>>> 
>>> I have lost track of your original point.   I hope this response is on
>>> target.
>>> 
>>> I was blind during law school, worked as a summer associate for a
>>> nationally-known firm, and received a job offer as a result of my work
>>> during that summer.  I was employed by that firm for over five years.  I
>>> now
>>> practice for the federal government.
>>> 
>>> I know of others as well who were blind before law school who got jobs at
>>> private firms.
>>> 
>>> I also know that tremendous discrimination occurs but my own experience
>>> tells me that it is entirely possible for a blind person to receive offers
>>> of employment to practice in the private sector.
>>> 
>>> Noel Nightingale
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of James Weisberg
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:48 AM
>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> 
>>> I have to distinguish, I'm getting back to Dave's comments below again
>>> now,
>>> between employed blind lawyers who lost sight AFTER they had been employed
>>> and developed a rep before going blind as being competent from those who
>>> are
>>> blind and thus never given the opportunity to develop such a rep unless
>>> they
>>> can do it on their own as I have.  I just don't count blind lawyers in my
>>> calculation if they lost their sight after they were established because
>>> my
>>> point is NOT whether or not a blind person can do the work, I know as I
>>> have
>>> been doing it for over ten years now.  My point is the effort for the
>>> credentials compared with the likelihood of a job offer means go for
>>> something else . . . that's all.  So I too would love the numbers on blind
>>> lawyers never offered employment compared against employed blind lawyers
>>> who
>>> were blind prior to ever practicing!!  I'm betting close to
>>> "astronomical."
>>> *smile*
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of mfhurley at optonline.net
>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 7:29 AM
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> 
>>> Prospects for blind lawyers were not good in a great ecomony.  I agree
>>> with
>>> Dennis' post wholeheartedly.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Andrews
>>> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:26 am
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] blind attorneys
>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
>>> 
>>>> James:
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to suggest that the unemployment rate for blind
>>>> persons
>>>> in most all, if not all fields of endeavor is low. While my
>>>> evidence
>>>> is anecdotal, I don't think that it is necessarily any worse for
>>>> blind lawyers. Over the years I have known a bunch of blind
>>>> lawyers,
>>>> who are working.
>>>> 
>>>> From what I read, the prospect for all lawyers isn't that good
>>>> right
>>>> now, so it is hard to separate the blindness penalty from the
>>>> bad
>>>> economy penalty.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> At 05:55 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote:
>>>> >Based upon my experience, Berkeley grad, top tier law grad,
>>>> ZERO job offers
>>>> >despite NEVER not getting an interview, combined with the
>>>> extremely low
>>>> >numbers of blind attorneys I can't think of what there might be
>>>> to discuss.
>>>> >My advice to anyone with vision issues considering law as a
>>>> career is to not
>>>> >waste their time or money they have a greater chance statistically,
>>>> >probably, of getting hit by lightening on the way to law class
>>>> than ever
>>>> >getting an offer of employment. Now if you come from money, forget
>>>> >everything I have said and just open your own firm! THAT IS
>>>> THE WAY IT IS!
>>>> >But there are always EXCEPTIONS. I personally wouldn't want to
>>>> invest the
>>>> >time and money law school requires on the hopes I'll be an exception.
>>>> 
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