[blindlaw] Blind Driver Challenge and CAPTCHAS

Fri Sep 10 22:46:31 UTC 2010

Oh, a blind-driver-interface will be a miracle.  Hopefully, it will soon be
available for us.

On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>wrote:

> Hello Steve and everyone,
>
> It can't be any more complicated than developing a car drivable by a blind
> person. And we're developing such a beast. If we can find the technical
> know-how to develop a blind drivable vehicle interface  for God sakes we
> should be able to develop software capable of making captcha images
> available to screen reading systems while hiding it from robots. We're 100%
> behind the Blind Driver Challenge but have a real issue with the idea that
> we can develop this vehicle interface but seem lost when it comes to the
> problem of enabling blind and deaf-blind individuals to have the ability to
> solve captchas independently. All the best.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve P. Deeley" <stevep.deeley at insightbb.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>
>
> It's very complicated.
> Steve
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
>
>
> > Peter:
> > very good point.
> > However, this can't be used for signing up, not at first.
> > Also, you have to understand different companies create different
> > structures, so it'll depend on that.
> >
> > Jorge
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Steve and everyone,
> >>
> >>    I've used many Web sites where one must reply to an email message in
> >> order to activate a subscription, process and order, etc. This works
> well
> >> for me and I'm sure lots of others. This very procedure was followed
> when
> >> I
> >> ordered my free NFB cane. No problem with that. It means a few extra
> >> steps
> >> but doesn't shut anyone out.
> >>
> >> Peter Donahue
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> >> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:42 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter,
> >>
> >> It just isn't that simple.  Blocking the message may keep them from
> >> getting
> >> visibility, but it doesn't prevent such messages from bogging down the
> >> network
> >> and the ISP who was not able to prevent a robot from subscribing.
> >> Because
> >> there are sites out there who protect users by providing ways to hide
> >> their
> >> origin, it isn't simple to identify the problem.  However, I also think
> >> that
> >> CAPTCHAs are a very convenient answer and that their use has caused
> >> limited
> >> thought to be given to other approaches.  The trouble is that answers
> >> just
> >> are not that obvious.  As Chris said, certain other kinds of CAPTCHAs
> may
> >> discriminate against other types of developmental disabilities or even
> >> people whose primary language is not that of whatever protective scheme
> >> is
> >> developed.  The idea of sending a text to a cellphone to provide a
> >> password
> >> is great if one happens to have a cellphone, but there are ways this
> >> could
> >> be
> >> scripted around as well.  I think this is where the struggle is, we
> don't
> >> like CAPTCHAs for good reason but don't have a real sense of what to
> >> suggest
> >> as an
> >> alternative.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Steve Jacobson
> >>
> >> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:27:26 -0500, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Chris and everyone,
> >>
> >>>   I'd like to know what happened to spam filtering software or the
> >>> diligence of host administrators to block email and IP addresses from
> >>> which
> >>> these bot messages come.  If they enlisted the help of their customers
> >>> to
> >>> track this stuff down the use of captchas would be unnecessary. No one
> >>> would
> >>> be discriminated against. If more of their customers would use those
> >>> "Report
> >>> Abuse" links it would go a long way to reducing or eliminating the need
> >>> for
> >>> this kind of junk on Web sites. All the best.
> >>
> >>> Peter Donahue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:49 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Fair point.
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- On Fri, 9/10/10, Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> From: Chris Danielsen <cdanielsen8 at aol.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
> >>>> To: "'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 5:42 AM
> >>>> Do you mean the concept of captchas
> >>>> in general, or visual captchas? I think
> >>>> advocacy groups have steered clear of opposing captchas
> >>>> because they are, in
> >>>> fact, a legitimate security mechanism to prevent a real
> >>>> threat. The question
> >>>> is how they should be designed. This is problematic because
> >>>> I can't think of
> >>>> a captcha that doesn't discriminate against somebody. The
> >>>> best ones are
> >>>> probably the simple logic puzzles, but even those probably
> >>>> discriminate
> >>>> against certain people with developmental disabilities. I
> >>>> guess the best we
> >>>> can hope for is a captcha that discriminates against as few
> >>>> people as
> >>>> possible, or, perhaps in the future, someone will invent a
> >>>> security
> >>>> mechanism that makes them unnecessary.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of John Ramsey
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:05 PM
> >>>> To: 'NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List'
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't have the answer to that one, but I am curious if
> >>>> any advocacy group
> >>>> has considered a cause of action because of these captias.
> >>>> I fail to see how
> >>>> they don't offend all of the recent cases regarding website
> >>>> accessibility.
> >>>> Cordially,
> >>>> John
> >>>>
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> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>> [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Peter Donahue
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:42 PM
> >>>> To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> So how can this new fangled audio captcha be
> >>>> accessed by the deaf-blind?
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter Donahue
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "William ODonnell" <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> >>>> To: <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:17 PM
> >>>> Subject: [blindlaw] UpDate on Linkedin website:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Good afternoon list members.
> >>>> I would like to up-date you on Linkedin. The log-in
> >>>> page has a different
> >>>> Captcha that works and is accessible. Once you enter
> >>>> in your log-in
> >>>> information, a page comes up and says: "please enter the
> >>>> two words shown
> >>>> above." The audio link comes up with a clear voice
> >>>> that says: "Please
> >>>> enter the following words. Do not worry if you have
> >>>> trouble, just enter
> >>>> your best Guess. You will here a number IE 5, then a
> >>>> word such as Saturday,
> >>>>
> >>>> then a number like 8 and then a word of less. If you
> >>>> do not enter in the
> >>>> numbers, you can still move forward to the next page and
> >>>> access your
> >>>> account.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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